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I suggest you look into taking a course in logic and rhetoric. They appear to be your shortcomings.
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No, they are your shortcomings, evidenced by the fact that your posts have no content, The only content they have are unfounded insults toward other posters, such as this one. In order that the thread not get shut down, as most of the threads do once you begin participating, I will leave it at that.
 
I'm no fan of most AMCs, however, not all are bad. Nor do all of them take advantage of their vendors.

But those that do take advantage are able to do so not because of the acquiescence of the AI, or because of some banking conspiracy, or because of the lack of government intervention, but because the market dynamics of appraisal demand allows it.

Fact: there are too many appraisers chasing too few assignments.

This reality alone is the cause for most of the consternation directed at lenders and AMCs on this forum. When that changes, and it will, you'll be singing a different tune. Likely still complaining about something, but at least not the same things.

Those communities that "band together" to support local merchants and ban Walmart are in effect toying with the market. They are enforcing a hidden tax on all consumers in those towns by preventing consumers from enjoying the benefit of lower priced consumer goods. They are artificially propping up retail endeavors, at generally a much greater detriment to area consumers than might be experienced on a net basis from the displacement of the smaller retailers.
 
Calvin, thank you for a thoughtful response,

Calvin the Airedale;2173548[COLOR=blue said:
]I'm no fan of most AMCs, however, [/COLOR]
not all are bad. Nor do all of them take advantage of their vendors.

Not all do, and I work for some AMC's that are decent. Many are not, however, for reasons we know all too well.

Those that do take advantage are able to do so not because of the acquiescence of the AI, or because of some banking conspiracy, or because of the lack of government intervention, but because the market dynamics of appraisal demand allows it.

Fact: there are too many appraisers chasing too few assignments.

It is far more complex than this, as we know from the numerous posts, and articles on the topic, including the AI writings on the topic. Supply and demand have been maniuplated. However as you point out, when actual numbers of appraisers drop further, it might have an affect as well.


This reality alone is the cause for most of the consternation directed at lenders and AMCs on this forum. When that changes, and it will, you'll be singing a different tune. Likely still complaining about something, but at least not the same things.

Lol, always something to complain about...but of course on a serious note, the two major "complaints" on this board have widespread consequences beyond this board...appraisers "complained" for years about mortgage broker pressure to make values....it was ignored, despite petitions, articles, interviews with press etc. And with the resulting housing market collapse which has affected the entire nation as well as the global community. Too bad nobody listened to the "complainers", back when it mattered.

When "they", the regulators listened, it was too late, and the solution was enacted the wrong way, again because lenders stayed in control. The former time it was through direct lender pressure, now, with a pretend firewall and lender ownership and partnership with AMC's. If nobody is listening once again to the "complainers", once again there will be a seismic shift in regulations and pain in the housing market as a result.

Those communities that "band together" to support local merchants and ban Walmart are in effect toying with the market.

The market expresses the will of the people, and sometimes it is about something more than price or even profit. Sometimes the will is about human values. When communities band together re Walmart, yes , they are shaping the market, as people throughout history have done according to their values. When child labor and slave labor were the norm, that was the market at that time. People banded together to change it, even though that labor pool made sense economically. People put certain values above economic benefit at that point in time, and as they have at other periods in history.

They are enforcing a hidden tax on all consumers in those towns by preventing consumers from enjoying the benefit of lower priced consumer goods. They are artificially propping up retail endeavors, at generally a much greater detriment to area consumers than might be experienced on a net basis from the displacement of the smaller retailers.


Not so dramatic...all people have to do in these towns is drive 5 or 10 miles further and lo and behold, there is a Walmart, or similar discount store. And if people in an area are such fans of Walmart and are so devestated by one not going up next door, these people can move to one of the many towns that do have a Walmart.

The areas that ban Walmarts are doing just fine, often with higher home values, lots of thriving businesses, and vibrant shopping districts that draws in tourists as well as locals. I have not heard of a single area negatively impacted by the lack of a Walmart, but I have heard of many areas negatively impacted by the presence of a Walmart.

Though interesting to talk about, the retail aspect of Walmart makes it very different from the problems facing the apprasial profesion.
 
JGrant: "The market expresses the will of the people, and sometimes it is about something more than price or even profit. Sometimes the will is about human values. When communities band together re Walmart, yes , they are shaping the market, as people throughout history have done according to their values. When child labor and slave labor were the norm, that was the market at that time. People banded together to change it, even though that labor pool made sense economically. People put certain values above economic benefit at that point in time, and as they have at other periods in history."

What alternate universe are you living in?

People didn't band together to "change" slavery, at least not in this county. They fought a bloody war over it. Nor was slavery the norm in the northern states. And FYI, slavery only made economic sense to southern plantation owners.

The higher cost of labor in the north forced innovation and industrialization earlier and on a far greater scale than took place in the south. Why? Because when labor is cheap (as it is under slavery) there is less economic incentive to industrialize or automate to increase the productivity per laborer.

The south fought the civil war with more passion and better generals but still lost. Why?

Because the north had all or most of the nation's industrial capacity! And the reason for that fact was its lack of reliance on slavery. In the end, it was slavery that caused the south to lose the war, but not in the way that most attribute its significance. It was not the moral superiority of freedom v. slavery that allowed the north to win, it was their industrial superiority.
 
Rant away but you aren't changing anything, although I suggest you look into taking a course in logic and rhetoric. They appear to be your shortcomings.

Do you feel better when you make little jabs like this?
 
I think my point of only 67+/- appraisers went right over Joan's head. I guess it is too much for her ego. It a shame she can not comprehend.

Forgive me but I don't understand. I have been holding these events since 2003 and I know my attendance numbers very well. The lowest attendance was at the first one... We had 350. Highest was 1000 in 2005. We had two events for q couple of years.

And yes I think the apathy expressed by appraisers is harmful and sad. Stand up for your opinion. Stop hiding behind anonymous blogs and hiding out in a cave. Bust out a tie and look profession, have business cards, be sociable and network. You might even find it fun!
 
I considered going to this. Went to the "Appraisal Summit" 2 years ago in December, which was interesting. But I just don't like Vegas. :shrug:

It gives me a certain Fear and Loathing. :icon_lol:
 
Forgive me but I don't understand. I have been holding these events since 2003 and I know my attendance numbers very well. The lowest attendance was at the first one... We had 350. Highest was 1000 in 2005. We had two events for q couple of years.

And yes I think the apathy expressed by appraisers is harmful and sad. Stand up for your opinion. Stop hiding behind anonymous blogs and hiding out in a cave. Bust out a tie and look profession, have business cards, be sociable and network. You might even find it fun!

Joan, you are spinning the stats! The number I reference is the actual head count of the appraisers. Again, this is going right over the top of your head. At the 2009 Expo you could have had 300, 400 or even 500+ ..whatever in total attendance (spouses were also counted) but I remember the stats on the screen after the survey that the forum speaker had...and it stated something in the 60's as far as the actual number of appraisers. That is why I stated 67+/-
 
Do you feel better when you make little jabs like this?
You mean when I jab at the women equating slave labor and child labor to WalMart as objects of society's disdain and approbation? Yeah, a little!
 
Joan, you are spinning the stats! The number I reference is the actual head count of the appraisers. Again, this is going right over the top of your head. At the 2009 Expo you could have had 300, 400 or even 500+ ..whatever in total attendance (spouses were also counted) but I remember the stats on the screen after the survey that the forum speaker had...and it stated something in the 60's as far as the actual number of appraisers. That is why I stated 67+/-

If you are referring to LPS who did an automated survey while everyone is in class not 100% would respond. Spouses would not be in the room. Spouses would not be in the general session. I don't know who else would make up the rest???? The exhibitors and staff make up a big number and many of them are not appraisers and do not attend general sessions.

So head count wise there would be about 20 speakers. Some are not appraisers and many don't hang around for the rest of the conference. Many are CRN members and just go to that meeting. CRN attendance last year was the largest ever at 135. CRn members are comprised of lenders and AMCs and regulators.

There are photos of the general sessions on the website.
 
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