We Need House Wind Turbines

[EDWARD BERRY]

If Anyone Wants To Pursue Restrain's Comments Google "doug Rye"

I Added 12" Of Cellulose To The Attic And Now There There Is Not One Degree Difference In My 1900 Sf House From Room To Room.

There Have Been Two Houses In Our Area That The Roof Burned Off And The Owners Slept Through It. It Will Not Burn.

Home Depot Has The Roof Stuff For Existing(it Just Pushes Up Between The Rafters(do Not Push All The Way). For New, Or Redecking It Is A "foil Board" And Does Reduce Attic Temps 20-40 Degrees.

Others Good Ideas Are Geothermal And The Marathon Water Heater.

And Tons Of Caulk.

 

[Couch Potato]

You can store it sure, but there's significant conversion losses, and it still does not solve the problem with baseline vs. peak demand. You still have to have a hydodam providing baseline production and a turbine providing the instant-on supply.

If you follow the OPs goal to beat the oil companies, you need to focus on minimizing dependance on the hydrocarbon burning. Rather than installing a windmill, you'd be far better off, as an example, designing an electric car charger that could be triggered by the power company to run during demand lulls so that the nuke and hydro suppliers could maintain higher overall production levels while minimizing the need for the fast response generators.

No, such plants are solely for peak demand not baseline production with a reaction time to demand of about 60 seconds. They are up to 85% efficient with evaporation as the main source of loss.

 

[Metamorphic]

Interesting. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pumped-storage_hydroelectricity

It looks like they've actually increased the response times for these storage plants. But as the article notes, these are net energy consumers not generators.

I suppose that makes sense that they could increase the response time relative to real (non-looped) hydro projects. On a damed river you invariably have strict limitations on how much you can monkey with the output to avoid ****ing off people downstream. If you're just pumping water back and forth between your own two reservoirs you can pretty much run it as fast, hard, and unpredictably as you like.

 

[Terrel L. Shields]

Speaking of pumped storage dams for generating power...Taum Suak. Point being all sources of energy have a down side Nukes. Oil. Gas. Coal. Hdyro. Wind. Solar...it's a choice

http://mcgsc.usgs.gov/publications/t_sauk_failure.pdf

 

[Metamorphic]

Sounds like that worked out for the Trilobite hunters.

 

[Couch Potato]

Interesting. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pumped-storage_hydroelectricity

It looks like they've actually increased the response times for these storage plants. But as the article notes, these are net energy consumers not generators.

I suppose that makes sense that they could increase the response time relative to real (non-looped) hydro projects. On a damed river you invariably have strict limitations on how much you can monkey with the output to avoid ****ing off people downstream. If you're just pumping water back and forth between your own two reservoirs you can pretty much run it as fast, hard, and unpredictably as you like.

Pumped-storage provides is all about dealing with the irregularity of demand. It allows the power company to increase baseline production because energy that would otherwise be lost in off-peak hours is now utilized to pump the water uphill to be recovered during peak demand. As peak demand projects go it is one of the most effient around. They are not something to be built haphazardly, but in many locations they should be part of the overall plan.

I don't think they are particularly helpful for individuals.

 

[Terrel L. Shields]

don't think they are particularly helpful for individuals.

just make sure you buy a place with a hill above you, and a creek on it you can dam and put a watermill in...pump water all night up the hill and use the juice in the day...about $7 a Kwh instead of 7¢

 

[Metamorphic]

 

[tmon43]

just make sure you buy a place with a hill above you, and a creek on it you can dam and put a watermill in...pump water all night up the hill and use the juice in the day...about $7 a Kwh instead of 7¢

What if you use a windmill to pump the water uphill? The circle turns

 

[Terrel L. Shields]

"Geothermal" power is "solar" in the long run. And of course, the winds are created by heating and cooling of air... So everything is "solar" ultimately.

In Europe you can burn wood and plant trees to become "carbon neutral" what a joke...a cruel joke upon common sense.