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What does it Mean to Protect the Public Trust

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There's nothing unique about appraising homes everyday. It's like being young - everyone has done it.
This maybe true however, the the PDC hasn't appraised a single home. They're just getting through the $28 inspection as quickly as possible, going through the required checklist to get to the next $28 inspection.

They're not even looking for aspects of the home that effect value. That's not even remotely on their radar. I agree with Chad in regards to the inspection piece.

I also think it's vital to valuation in delineating the neighborhood. Especially if you're short on comparables and have to go to alternative, competitive neighborhoods to get a comp.

I haven't done a bifurcated, hybrid deal as of yet. If I have to I will. However, I'm going to treat these things more like a drive-by. I'm not going to reconcile to the high or low end of the range as if I've seen it. I'm going to be in the middle of the gross and adjusted sales.
 
Clients and/or users telling you what their SR1/SR2 expectations are will not infringe upon your impartiality and objectivity, nor does it relieve you of the obligation to make your own SOW decisions.

Are you even familiar with how the DEPARTURE RULE (and the associated SUPPLEMENTAL STANDARDS RULE) worked prior to being replaced with the SOWR? Because if you knew what you were talking about you would realize the SOWR has given appraisers a LOT more discretion and freedom than they ever had prior to that transition.

Let's see, if I am right, for this SOWR thing to work you need to put something in the engagement letter like attorney's do. Your basic fee only covers certain things and an assumed SOW as stated in the engagement letter. If the SOW changes or additional costs are incurred, you will report and bill them at 2 week intervals at which time they are due and payable within 2 weeks from invoice date. If the client wants to cancel the contract, then they will be liable for all expenses up to the time of cancellation.

Good luck on finding clients.
 
This maybe true however, the the PDC hasn't appraised a single home. They're just getting through the $28 inspection as quickly as possible, going through the required checklist to get to the next $28 inspection.

They're not even looking for aspects of the home that effect value. That's not even remotely on their radar. I agree with Chad in regards to the inspection piece.

I also think it's vital to valuation in delineating the neighborhood. Especially if you're short on comparables and have to go to alternative, competitive neighborhoods to get a comp.

I haven't done a bifurcated, hybrid deal as of yet. If I have to I will. However, I'm going to treat these things more like a drive-by. I'm not going to reconcile to the high or low end of the range as if I've seen it. I'm going to be in the middle of the gross and adjusted sales.
Is your protocol based upon an assumption that the mid-point reflects the neighborhood median value because the all-important condition rating might not be accurate, or adequate?
 
We've been doing exterior-only where we don't even step foot on the property and in certain cases can't even see the entire front of the house. And we're certainly not seeing everything to the rear of the house, let alone any of the interior. That was never a problem for anyone in this thread, but now being handed a report that shows most if not all that we were missing in an exterior-only now poses some huge risk to the appraiser. Despite the appraiser's ability to disclose their own SOW and the additional limitations in their report. Repeatedly, so it won't get missed by a casual reader.

I feel faint. Somebody fetch me my breathing salts and a glass of sweet tea.
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If this is already too much for people then they 've got real problems because the situation only gets worse for the conventional 1004 from here on out.

If they're not already, what everyone should be laser focused on is the money and how the usage of these and other alternatives are going to starve a lot of appraisers out of the business. And what steps the individuals need to take if they want to stay in the business. Their survival will literally be dependent upon their ability to outlast their competition. You need your competition to fail in order to leave enough work on the table for you to survive. We're looking at Thunderdome: two men enter, one man leaves. Some of us aren't going to make it.

And no amount of organizing or collaboration or nurturing or empathizing or telling people what they want to hear instead of telling them "what is" will alter these outcomes. We are not in control of what our clients and users think they need to make their decisions.

(and yes, it's the same on the CG side, too; only the timing may/may not be different)
 
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Is your protocol based upon an assumption that the mid-point reflects the neighborhood median value because the all-important condition rating might not be accurate, or adequate?
No. Not the neighborhood median value, but the median value of the gross sales prices and adjusted sales prices of the sales utilized in the report itself. And, not just the all important condition rating, but the quality of construction rating, and special features as well.

I'm not saying I'm going to be throwing out the window the components of bracketing and/or equality and similarity either. I'm saying I'm not going to be sticking my neck out on the line for $100.00. As stated, I'm going to be treating these (if I even do them) just like drive-bys which I've always been conservative on because I haven't inspected it. by the way, Drive-bys have historically paid a lot better than an insulting hundred bucks. This hybrid 1004 deal is a lot harder and more time consuming then sending the appraiser out there. I know this as my mentor whom is an AG has done a few because he detests Los Angeles' freeways.

So, let's get back to the subject of the thread, Public Trust. I feel the public can trust appraisers, even though they've been told not to by orders of the POTUS (because he's pandering for votes). I believe it's the lenders and their pet dog AMC's that the public can't trust. Otherwise, the homeowners would be notified of not only the appraiser's cut of the fee, but as to why this hybrid nonsense has come to fruition in the first place.......for profit.
 
We all know the phrase - it's the first sentence of the Preamble to USPAP. I've long been told that it is appraisers' responsibility to uphold the public trust. That's not what the document says, though... it says the purpose of USPAP is to promote public trust. Slight difference IMO... nonetheless, I've even been known to preach the mantra that appraisers uphold public trust by providing credible appraisal services. After much thought, however, I'm not sure we do. Who is 'public' anyway? Users of our services? Public in general? Well, public in general barely know what an appraisal is - much less what USPAP is, so it can't be them. What about users of our services? Is that 'the public'? In my mind it has to be - which means we are (in theory), through adherence to USPAP, maintaining the trust of the fat cats who have stock in/or own banks, CU's, etc., and the overlords at F/F/FHA/VA. But..... it should be obvious to even the casual observer that even they don't trust us. It is no longer sufficient to make a statement or an opinion in relation to our expertise - that statement or opinion (regardless of how obvious it may be - will be questioned and documentation will be required to verify said statement(s). So, then, our services - even when rendered in a manner that is meaningful and not misleading (by some) - are not trusted. Which begs the question: Why is that? Why don't the users of our services trust our opinions and conclusions? IMO - because many of us either aren't capable of, or fail to, provide services in a manner that is meaningful and not misleading. Can that perception be changed? I'm afraid not at this point in the game.

How much people trust any group - whether it is scientists, engineers, accountants or appraisers, depends to a large extent on their record of publicized failures. And to be frank, it is often not just particular professions - but the entire supporting infrastructure that does or doesn't have trust.

Structures such as buildings and bridges often collapse or burn down in China and other places in Asia. Sometimes its poor engineering design, but more often construction and shoddy inspection and regulations that are the culprits. Many times both.

If you look at the failures, such as the Millennium Tower in San Francisco (which one my argue is not yet a total failure in that it hasn't toppled over, but on the other hand is a financial failure), we kind of see the same situation as with appraisal. You have requirements coming in from investors and government officials which undermine best engineering practices. Engineering companies have to bid on contracts, just like appraisers do. They wind up making compromises to get the contract. - Much the same with appraisers, regardless of how good they are.

USPAP is just a regulation - like building codes, which are part of government regulations. It cannot dictate the details of how to handle verious situations. It outlines considerations and things not to do, - in general. It is up to appraisers to use good sense - and the supporting (or undermining) infrastructure they have to deal with.

At the ground level, it really gets down to money and competency. An appraiser who bids on an order should be capable of competency and honest about whether they are able to do the appraisal according to the SOW outlined by the client for the given fee - which in turn implies time constraints. Maybe there is some going back and forth on this. - If one appraiser says he needs more time or money and another says he can do it no problem, the "other" will likely get the job, all other things being equal. It may be the first appraiser is just being honest and the second is thinking he can bend the rules one way or another and make a go of it - or in fact lacks the competence to understand he can't do the appraisal within the assigned constraints. There is a game here. For an appraiser to be in business and stay in business he does need to obtain decent paying contracts - yet he probably doesn't know who he is up against and what they are going to bid. In any case, once an appraiser is assigned a given contract for a given fee, the game changes to getting the work done, without getting into trouble and yet making a good profit. BUT, it is all a matter of risk. How much risk is the appraiser ready to take on. Risk is probability. What is the threshold? 10% probability of getting into trouble? Well then, 1 time out of 10, such an appraiser will probably get into trouble - maybe enough to put him out of business. But, this IS the reality.

Well, there are a lot of people, even smart ones, that are very short term in their thinking. Intelligence isn't everything. Character is important. But then, some clients just want a rubber stamp - and find appraisers with poor character superior.

Poor appraisal decisions often impact individuals involved at the ground level in transactions - far less than financial institutions and society (the voting public) as a whole. It is hard to see this at the ground level. You need to look at this from an institutional and national perspective that spans years and even decades. So, that's a problem - people are too myopic to see at that level ---->

And this leads us back to your post that is concerned with the so-called "public trust." It is myopic. "Public Trust" is at best a secondary issue. The primary issue is the long term well-being of localities, counties, states and nations as a whole, including their corporations and the vast majority of their inhabitants.
 
As expected, none of that is responsive to the question I actually asked:

So you think the AMCs are driving this, not the lenders. Please elaborate.

I didn't ask you about motivations; I asked you about who is actually doing what between the AMCs and the Lenders? How can any AMC do anything that their client does not approve of? How can any AMC force their client to do anything they don't want to do?

C'mon now. Even you know what the answers to the above are. It's obvious.
Many lenders are part owner in an appraisal management company. Is that like me taking $200 extra from the borrower to hit the target price and fastest and cheapest?
 
As far as I know It is some of the the biggest lenders that have the ownership interests in an appraisal management company. Many big lenders also still have their own internal appraisal departments that engage appraisers directly and pay the appraiser exactly what the appraisal fee is. The lenders with internal appraisal departments don't skim on the appraisal fee. They disclose the actual appraisal fee paid to the appraiser on final truth in lending disclosures. They don't commingle fees on truth in lending disclosures. They don't go for fastest and cheapest either like an appraisal management company does that skims the fees.
 
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