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Brian, you suggest,
"If you still disagree with this I would suggest that you read USPAP, AO-20, lines 174-175"

It’s not a case of “disagree.” I know I sliced the independent clause of your sentence, “the value conclusion is appropriate and reasonable,” from the dependent clause, “given the data and analysis presented,” separating your conclusions from its limiting condition. If you absolutely insist on playing with fire by using the phrase “value conclusion,” then at least use better exculpatory language. For example, “Assuming the data are reliable, the value conclusion appears to be reasonable.” However, I just cannot imagine the logic of discussing the “value conclusion” if it is beyond the scope of review; of discussing any finding that is outside the scope of work.

On your point to read USPAP, AO-20 – USPAP does not contain anything called AO-20. See my prior post. Having said that, I read it anyway and it says,
“…use extreme care to ensure the appraisal review report does not include language that implies the reviewer developed an opinion of value.”
That’s what I am saying when I ask why go there at all. Dancing close to the line is not "extreme care." Why talk about value conclusion if it is beyond your scope of review? Why get that close to the line, when those who read your work have some say about where the line is; when it is not just what you say, but what the reader says you "implied?"

The next sentence, lines 176-78 says,
“When the reviewer uses language to signify concurrence with the value…”
e.g., by saying ‘The value conclusion is appropriate and reasonable,’
“…the reviewer has additional appraisal development and reporting options.
You can argue all you want that you didn’t “signify concurrence,” and you might have to, because you left yourself wide open by discussing “value conclusion” at all.
 
Mike,

A review assignemnt is really potentially a 2 stage assignment: first, is the reprot under review OK, credible, etc. Obviously, your review will say no since he made up the 3rd comp.

The new opinion of value is a new assignment (second stage). You may extend to your opinion any data that you find credible, and replace the non-credible stuff with better data. You may provide your opinion in the review form- just not on the original appraisal.

Since this is a new assignment, your scope of work can be different. You do not need to provide any sort of grid for USPAP- that would be between you and your client.

The real problem most appraisers have with these is that they fail to see the requirements and then do not charge enough.

BTW, that appraisal under review should go to your state- cannot have folks making up data. You do not need Orisyn's approval or anyone else's.

Brad Ellis, IFA, RAA
 
USPAP has rotted all of your brains.
Try using some common sense.
What does to client want to know?.
A to know if the value is correct or B. What is the true market value.
Nodbody cares if it summary or limited or voodoo. :twisted:
 
jeff- your previous post is in complete violation of USPAP. just for fun i ran it by my last USPAP teacher who also sits on the board for virginia. if thats all you do for a review when you give a new/different value youre not doing it correctly.

dale- i used to be like you, f USPAP, just do the stinking appraisal and get it out. but i employ 12 full time appraisers now and if my license is suspended than i effect 12 entire familys whose signature they rely on!

austin- HELARIOUS!!! :beer: :rofl:
 
By taking the extreems to account you have U-SPAPPED youself out of a fee. What good is it to know if you disagee with a value if you don't back it up with your own value. I never get review work on easy files, there is always some sort of confusion for then to order a review. To just disagree does not solve the problem.
 
I no longer offer review services for the reasons Pam & Mike have cited. I'm a quick study & quickly tired (years ago) of doing $600 worth of work for $150!!!

-Mike
 
OK Mike,

Here it is.............................


Example #6: Limited scope review assignments

The definition of "appraisal review" in USPAP Is "the act or process of developing and communicating
an opinion about the quality of another appraiser's work". Tne Comment to says "the subject of an
appraisal review assignment may be all or part of an appraisal report, the work file, or a combination
of both.

This definition itself beckons the appraiser to delineate the scope of the review assignment.
Clearly an appraisal review need not involve examination and critique the entire appraisal report.
If it does not involve the entire report, however, the appraiser must specify what the review does
involve.

Further, "quality" itself has - potentially - a broad meaning. An opinion of quality may
range from a statement that the "required elements" of the report are present to a concurrence or
disagreement with the appraised value.
Just as Standards Rule 1-2(f) requires the appraiser to
identify the scope ofwork in the appraisal process, Standards Rule 3- l© requires the reviewer
to "identify the scope of work to be performed" in the review assignment. The scope of work in
an appraisal review assignment may be expanded, or narrowed, in a number of ways. For example,
the reviewer might (or might not):

* Physically inspect the property that is the subject of the
appraisal (the "field review", as opposed to a "desk review" in which the reviewer does not inspect)
* Check the appraiser's math
* Test the income approach using alternative yield/capitalization rates
* Collect and verify additional sales/rent comparables; Re-run the cash flow
* Examine the appraisal report in light of FIRREA/Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac/SBA/ other requirements
* Develop a differing opinion of value
* Etc.

Whether or not the reviewer inspects the property that is the subject of the appraisal
becomes part of the scope of work decision. If the intended use of the review is for the client to
obtain a level of confidence in the abilities of the appraiser who prepared the report, a "desk review"
may be adequate. If, on the other hand, the client wishes to also have an independent opinion of the
value of the property, or a verification of the value, the scope of work may need to be expanded to
include a field inspection as well as a re-enactment of the valuation process.


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6 In the event the reviewer develops his or her own opinion of value, the reviewer must have adequate
support and reasoning to do so, to the same degree as one would in developing an appraisal under Standard
1. The reviewer's opinion of value niay be reported, however, in the review report. Refer to the Comment
to Standards Rule 3-1©. See also Advisory Opinion ##
Page 1
 
This really is not that hard. SR3 does not require a reviewer to develop their own "appraisal". However, if your client requires it as part of the scope of work, then the opinion of value you develop must meet SR2-2(B) requirements. You may "piggyback" relevant info from the appraisal under review.
 
Steven,

We all know what an AO is and how much weight it carries. If I ever had to explain myself to a higher authority, I'd much rather be able to point to something in an AO than try to defend a statement that I devised myself. Maybe its close to the line, maybe its not. Matter of opinion i suppose.

Opinion of the Appraisal Standards Board vs. Opinion of Steven Santora?

Hmmm. No offense but thats not a tough choice.
 
Brian,
No offense taken. Ad hominem arguments always carry the least “weight.” :D

However, before you can set up the ASB-versus-Santora debate, you would first need to find a point upon which the ASB and Santora disagree. My last post shows the text of the ASB opinion confirmed what I already posted. Both of us warned about statements that are too close to giving an opinion of value, if that is beyond the scope of your review. Both of suggest the point of view for measuring this is not what you think you said, but what a reader might reasonably interpret. It seems that you are the one out of step with the AO.

As far as I can tell, the battle lines of the debate are:
Santora AND the ASB versus Powell

As you say, no offense intended, but is a very easy choice. :D

Pretty good debate for a newby. Keep up the good work, Brian
 
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