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Windows Tablets For Fieldwork

I noted that the MS store has once again made the ASUS Transformer Mini (as configured in post https://appraisersforum.com/forums/...ets-for-fieldwork.191490/page-69#post-2754190 on the previous page) available for $249. I am told that this is in conjunction with their promotions relating to graduation activities and will run out in June or "while supplies last." As I mentioned earlier, this is a modest but serviceable device - not intended for heavy lifting, but adequate as a companion device. Also, I still believe that the upgraded model is not the way to go since you can get a microSD card for way less on a $/GB ratio. Here is the link again: https://www.microsoftstore.com/stor...nature-Edition-2-in-1-PC/productID.5082192600


Hope this helps!

-Randall Garrett-
+Apex Software+

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I noticed that MS is advertising certified refurbished Surface 3's starting at $299. This model has a 10.8" screen, an Atom X7-8700 CPU, 2 GB of RAM and 64GB of storage. As you may remember, I do not recommend a device with only 2 GB of RAM if you are thinking of running your typical appraisal "forms" software. The next model up has a much better configuration - 4GB of RAM and 128 GB of storage but the cost climbs slightly to $369, which is an OK price IMHO, especially since it is certified by MS. https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/store/d/certified-refurbished-surface-3/8wvlncjn73m8/7V30 Remember that you'd still need to purchase the keyboard cover and pen if you wanted those.

That said, the newer ASUS Transformer (mentioned in an earlier post) is being offered for only $249 with a newer X5 CPU and 4 GB of RAM, but only 64 GB of storage. As mentioned earlier, adding additional storage via microSD is very inexpensive. Note that the purchase price includes the keyboard cover and pen :) https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/sto...signature-edition-2-in-1-pc/92rqj6nf7rv5/2K5S At the end of the day,

I believe that the Surface may be better constructed but the ASUS just may be the better bang for the in this case.

Hope this helps!


-Randall Garrett-
+Apex Software+

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Initial (and sketchy) report from MS's hardware announcement in China reveals new Surface Pro (no numbers this time around) with LTE is coming. Of course, there will be new keyboard covers to match up with the color choices shown with the Surface Laptop which was announced at their Build event earlier this month. I also note that MS is showing $100 - $200 price reductions on the various now-"old" SP4 models :-) I'll have more specific info once the technical issues with the MS event in China are ironed out. I will be meeting with MS people later today on another project (non-fee appraiser) and I will see if they can give me some more specifics on the new hardware, etc.

-Randall Garrett-
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Just got the link below from MS, along with the OK to push out. Figures since it is on their site, LOL

Updates:
  • LTE models are not shown and I am told that they will be released later this year but I will strive to find out more specifics about this aspect as it is important to a goodly percentage of our users...
  • m3 and i5 models are available in fan-less configurations - yea! - great for outdoor users
  • New Pen with additional capabilities. This will mainly be of interest to "artsy" types but overall, the new SP and Pen combo is lso reportedly smoother/faster, so that is a plus to all.
  • Of course, newest "Kaby Lake" CPU, which was totally expected...
  • Enhanced screen, radios and extended battery life are mentioned, though like the slightly tweaked corner rounding, etc., I don't expect these aspects to be major items...

MS Surface Pro (2016): https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/sto.../S1SN?icid=Cat_Surface-Hero1-Pro-052317-en-us

-Randall Garrett-
+Apex Software+

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Quick update on the new (2017) Surface Pro - As I indicated a couple of days ago, I was to meet with MS later that day. Well, among other things, I got a chance to use the new SP and it really is somewhat better than the SP4 in almost every aspect. That said, most people here might have a hard time justifying the upgrade if you are coming from something as new as an SP4 unless the LTE or the fan-less models are something important to you. The GPU definitely has more horsepower but it is still not a gaming machine and I don't know that folks here are concerned about the graphics performance of existing models. The more powerful CPU/GPU and new digitizer/pen/screen combo really shows up when doing smooth and sophisticated inking things (as is a requirement for Asian markets) but is something you can feel in just regular scribbling. Of course, the older your current machine is, the more attractive the new SP will be. In the limited time I had with it, I was able to confirm the presence of LTE, but I still could not get anyone to say anything on delivery date except for "later this year." When I pressed further, I got a reluctant "late Q3 or Q4"... The pen interaction is truly much better but I'm not sure how many people here are dissatisfied with the current pen/digitizer performance. Let me know if you want any more specific info - otherwise, I am told that most MS Stores will probably have a demo unit on hand soon. They did not know how soon Best Buy, etc. would get their demo units, but they were universally consistant that retail units would be available on or before 06/15/2017.

Hope this helps!

-Randall Garrett-
+Apex Software+

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Sorry to have been absent for the past few weeks - I was out of the country for a while and had some regular family travel/vacation stuff going on.

Anyway, FWIW, I noted that MS is offering a One Day Sale on the SP4 with a (6th gen) Core i5 CPU, 8GB of RAM & 256GB SSD and including the Active Pen, dropping it from $1,199 to $849 - that is $350 (29%) off. That is the same price as the model with i5, 4GB of RAM and 128GB SSD, so the sale gets you twice the RAM and storage for the same price :-) If you use the link below, be sure to select the model indicated since the price is the same - look for the indicator which reads:

" $1,199.00 $849.00 "​



Hope this helps!


-Randall Garrett-
+Apex Software+

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FWIW, I noted that Lisa Gade of MobileTechReview.com has posted a pretty decent review of the newly updated/upgraded HP Spectre X2 which you can watch via the link below.

Note that her review model is the i7 model with 8GB of RAM and 360GB SSD. From my own (personal) point of view, I would recommend saving the money on the Core i7 upgrade and applying it to the optional 16GB RAM option on the Core i5 model, but YMMV on that. You should also note that Lisa's opinion on using something other than the included HP active pen is highly subjective and based upon her "artist" perspective. The improvements she demonstrates by using the Wacom Bamboo and/or the new Surface pen do not really bear any significant fruit with respect to regular line drawing, note taking and the like. IMHO, the included pen is quite sufficient for most users' needs. Nothing wrong with the upgrades, but for MY money, since I'm not using it like an artist, I'd rather apply the cost of an upgraded pen to something more pertinent to items a typical property inspection scenario could use - anti-glare screen film, accidental damage protection policy, a decent micro SD card for back-ups, etc... Again, just my personal view and YMMV on that stuff.

Overall, the main advantages outlines are a lower cost than the Surface Pro. Again. for my (personal) use, I'd lean toward the new, fan-less Core i5 version of the Surface Pro as the better choice. While attractive (personal opinion), I don't think that the dark colors of the HP Spectre X2 are fitting for a device to be used outdoors, and the "gold" trim is just too "glitzy" for me. I like the 2 USB ports - though they are marketed as "forward-looking (ha!) over a standard USB port, bear in mind that you have to deal with adapters/dongles to use standard peripherals and the version of USB-C used on this model is an older spec, meaning it does not support things like external graphics and other high-bandwidth items that may be important down the line if you think you might want to transition to something like this as a portable desktop replacement class. Essentially, the inclusion of this "older" version of USB-C ports does not really offer very compelling benefits at this stage of the game IMHO. For example, when charging, you're using up one of the ports and are left with a single USB-C port - essentially no real advantage when using (say) a MS Surface Pro and charging via the proprietary charger (which, BTW has an extra USB port in it!), leaving it's included USB port open to standard peripherals. Note that I am not against USB-C - I just feel that the move to USB-C in this device is mainly a "spec for marketing purpose" move. Once more USB-C peripherals are commonplace and they move to the newer spec, things will be different IMHO, but that day is not today. So, don't buy into this for the prospect of future-proofing - by the time USB-C is more mainstream, it'll be a newer & better version and you'll likely be looking at newer/better devices anyway...

I don't have anything particularly negative to say about this newer HP Spectre X2 - if it fits your needs, it is readily available at Best Buy, but I only see the Core i7 model available "today." Again, I feel that the Core i5 models found on the HP website (where you may do some configuration to better suit your preferences?) are easily (more than) adequate for daily use and if you just have a few bucks burning a hole in your pocket, put them toward more RAM (since most appraisal software is pretty bloated and can use more), screen treatments, a case/strap, accidental damage protection, or whatever suits your need. The CPUs used in devices like this are the "mobile" variants, not the heavy-lifting desktop variety and unless you are doing some specialized tasks like "rendering or video encoding" on a regular basis, the power draw & heat generated by the Core i7 simply does not pay off vs. a Core i5 and any of the option I listed above. Also note that IF you are in an environment which you routinely deal with rain/snow/dust/etc., a fan-less device is the wiser choice - if the new MS Surface Pro fan-less Core I5 model is not your cup of tea, you may want to look at HP's "Elite" line instead of the Spectre line, as it is a business class device.

In closing, despite what I wrote above (it may come across as being negative, but I do not mean it that way), the new Spectre X2 is not a bad choice IMHO - my "less than glowing" comments are really just to caution you to think about YOUR use and temper how Lisa ranks certain features since HER use case scenario is different for your daily use as an appraiser.



Hope this helps!


-Randall Garrett-
+Apex Software+

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FWIW, I noted that MS is offering Certified Refurbished Surface Books starting at $883 for the Core i5+8GB RAM+128GB SSD model. This model runs about $1,500 new and is normally $1,149 as a refurb. You can find three other models ranging up to the Core i7+16GB RAM+512GB SSD+dedicated GPU ("dGPU") for $1,766. I also note that there are three bad reviews on the MS site. FWIW, none of my Surface Books (I own several) have had any problems like the ones listed by these customers. Makes me wonder if they are legit. Not saying they are not legit, just that I wonder... Again, I recommend the Core i5 for most users and I'm not so sure the dGPU is of any significant value for regular appraisal work. I have models with and without the dGPU and cannot discern any measurable performance benefit on normal office work.

For those who have not seen/used a Surface Book, note that is has a larger 13.5" screen and a regular keyboard which can be detached from the tablet section. Of course, it has touch & active pen enabled screen and it is built to a very high standard. Here is a short official video showing the device in an advertising context:


MS Store link: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/sto...a7eba947a)(259740)(2542549)(UUwpUdUnU49608)()

Hope this helps!


-Randall Garrett-
+Apex Software+

/end/
 
Also noted that the MS Store has the NuVision Solo 10 Draw 10.1" Tablet on sale for $99 this week. I do not recommend this tablet for any sort of "heavy lifting" - i.e. running your full appraisal software programs - as it is designed as a "consumption device" with only 32 GB of Storage, 2 GB of RAM, etc. On the plus side, since it comes with an active pen, it makes a nice casual companion device for notes, sketching and light duty use. Might also be useful for kids/grandchildren, etc.

MS Store link: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/sto...459594)(FKUsLJcjHPo-lhYZwA4bka7oy1SE5sdz0g)()

I do not own this tablet and I'll not likely buy it as we already have several tablets with similar specs that we use for testing. It is interesting, though, because it is rare to find a decently made tablet that has an active pen included for such a low price. Again, if all you want it for is casual use, or for notes, sketching, etc., it will suffice - just add a cheap microSD card to expand the storage space sod you should be good to go. Just don't expect the same software that struggles on your more beefy desktop or laptop to run briskly on a $99 device like this. I'm able to run MobileSketch (MS10) and even Apex v6 on devices like this, but they are much less demanding on system resources than a full appraisal program, Adobe Photoshop, and the like... Since it comes with Windows 10, you do have access to all sorts of "Store Apps" which are designed for devices like this. Also, since it is a "Signature" device, it comes without the bloatware/crapware typically found on inexpensive devices, hence it should run better...

I could not easily find any quality review videos, but I did find the one below which is more of a quick "unboxing" video done by a reviewer who is well known to me.


Hope this helps!


-Randall Garrett-
+Apex Software+

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