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The Difficulty of becoming an Appraiser Today

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AI will replace many jobs. Not just AI, but entry computer jobs are replaced in US with hiring of cheaper foreign techies.
I can see AI initially doing valuations for cookie cutters.
I love the easy money doing cookie cutters but many appraisals in Bay Area are unique in appeal, location, views, etc which I can't foresee computers replacing me in near future.
It will take more experienced appraisers like me to appraise those types of homes.

I see robots as mostly replacing inspections - and home inspectors. In fact they will do both at the same time. They will have a detachable appendix (if you prefer, appendage or attachment - but we need a new word for this) for crawling around crawlspaces and the attic. They will have eyes that see all wavelengths of light from infrared to UV. They will be able to detect heat and moisture. They will probabably be able to detect various kinds of insects and identify them, they will spot mold and cracks. They will if needed take and store surface swipes for fungal, bacteria and chemical contamination. They will move swiftly and carefully between all floors and rooms, taking pictures and measuring at the same time. The will have an attached drone to fly inside or outside as needed to take further measurements and pictures. They will communicate everything via WiFi to a central computer that will then process the information, fast enough to provide instructions to the robot to do any further checks. Such a robot will drive itself to the next house.

I am very sure, that an absolutely thorough house inspection and measurement, including photos for a 2,000 sf home, will take less than 20-30 minutes. Depending on driving time, it can inspect 20+ houses/day, 140 houses/week. Of course in rural areas, much less. Because it doesn't have to take time to do reports, it can do nothing but boring inspections 100 times better than most appraisers.

You will be able to get within the appraisal report, all of the inspection details of a typical appraisal and home inspection, - plus much more.

The MARS regression and AI system on the central computer will be using advanced MARS, probably Python, and no doubt AGI to finish off the reports. Clients will be charged for all information they order in the format they desire. However, the inspection will most likely. be a full inspection that collects all data for statistical analysis to build regression models and improve neighborhood definitions and so on and so forth. That is to say, regardless of what the client orders, the robot will likely take the opportunity to gather all the information that it can reasonably collect, for further analysis or reuse.

There will be appraisers or rather "Valuation Engineers" to review and audit the whole process and randomly selected reports (at least). The difference is that the Valuation Engineers will have to be well versed in all the analytical and report methods used --- which will take years of education and experience.

Initially people will have to help out and accompany robots; but, eventually, the robots should be able to handle everything themselves. Nonetheless a "central bureau" will be in constant contact with the robots and have access to what they see and hear. So, they can be monitored remotely. Robots will likely have advanced security features to help prevent theft, but it's hard to say how far the engineers and manufacturers will go in that respect.

As a consequence of the above, the GSE labor force will be largely gutted out and the remainder transformed. AMCs will disappear, the the survival of current appraisers software companies becomes very questionable.

Reports will become largely highly reliable and objective!

So, I would say this is 10-15 years out.

Everything will be driven by accuracy, objectivity and efficiency.

- In any case, once certain political obstructions are removed....

All of the manpower and money being spent on discrimination and diversity issues is a waste. These issues will largely dissipate with the advent of AI and robotics. The cause is any case futile. In fact, the effort now being spent by many (including myself) to undermine the current appraisals system, is mostly wasted effort: TAF, the AI and most the rest of the current appraisal infrastructure is doomed to die within 10-15 years, or at least undergo a major transformation, ....
 
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Algorithms already are "firmly in place", and they can not do anything more than they do now, which is estimated MV in no more "accuracy than an appraisal does - that is why an AVM< has confidence scores-people will always be needed to analyze ( the famous data is not knowledge statement )- however the policy end of res lending has gone to the profiteers and has reached the tipping point of making it a far less viable career on the res lending side.- risk is all a bunch of BS, the lender who makes the loan has no or little risk since they sell to an investor - the taxpayers have the risk and therefore it should never be up to just the lenders and profiteer stakeholders - and there is an affect on market prices from skewed valuations that is not about risk -

The starry-eyed AI will solve all reminds me of when the internet started was supposed to usher in an age or enlightenment - we do have access to more information and can research etc but overall the world is less safe and fake news/propaganda and fraud etc is perpetuated along with the ben efits -more profit flowing to fewer at the top -
The AVMs of today are nowhere near as powerful as what is coming down the pike in very short order. And risk is everything, just ask an investor.
 
I couldn't stick with my mentor any longer. He had someone willing to pay him $1000 each a month for him and his two children to learn to become appraisers. So as soon as I had my log filled out he pushed me out.
Take the course work for your CR then when they drop the college degree requirement, you'll be all set.
 
The AVMs of today are nowhere near as powerful as what is coming down the pike in very short order. And risk is everything, just ask an investor.
That's what we keep hearing.
Rememver a few decades ago when the promise was the internet was going to change the world? Did it? It made some things worse and other things better and the world is more unstable, violent, and split then before - now tens of millions can believe a lie within a minute -the internet has given us much of course but taken away more in exchange.

The billionaires and tech geeks love to promise nirvana as they design systems that put cash in their pockets as it devalues human contribution and destabilizes society- into worshipping data because they fool themselves into thinking it is "objective" or that no moral compass "objectivity"( bought to you by profiteers) is somehow "better"- have RE markets, housing prices, and the opportunities within RE to make a living become any better in the last few years as more tech has taken hold ? Not at all-
 
yeah when the banksters dump the independent appraiser for AI...it will be hurtful...like getting dump by the prettiest girl in junior high...but that will be a time for men and mice...also don't vote blue:rof: :rof: :rof:
 

US Banking: Unrealized Losses Soar to $517 Billion, Surpassing 2008 Crisis​


Well, folks, as “Bidenomics” tightens its grip on the American economy, keep an eye on the banks.

Turns out, the latest FDIC report just dropped a bombshell.

Turns out unrealized losses on investment securities for banks are now at a whopping $517 billion.

What’s driving this?

Some of the blame could be due to mortgage-backed securities taking a hit.

This now marks the 10th straight quarter of unrealized losses.

This beats the infamous 2008 Financial Crisis.


:oops: :rof::rof::rof:
 
I have a fellow appraiser who is younger (in 40s) and he has the mojo in appraising which I have lost.
He's willing to go further and probably lower fees in getting more appraisal work. When young, they have more energy and drive to succeed. Good for them.
For the young folks, they shall chase to become loan agent and realtor to grab more $, right?
 
When the profiteers control the data and the valuation, there is no unbiased third party to act as a brake on what impacts buyers, markets and prices. When the folks contolloing the data buy, sell and rent the properties, watch out. It is not a coincidence that large portions of res housing has been bought up by corporations in recent, years, creating an inventory shortage and putting them in charge of supply/demand and prices.

This is why so many in the profit chain want to get rid of appraisers or marginalize appraisers - and starving them out with low AMC fees and making their role impossible due to fear of the narrow set of clients dropping them for not making value neuters their role.

Valuations can replace an appraisal but not replace the role of the appraiser ( a third party with no vested interest in the outcome ). That role is such a threat to the profit chain that deliberate steps were and are being made to eliminate, weaken and marginalize it - and it has nothing to do with AI. Or explain to me how allowing CDC ( a non appraiser who now can inspect ) has anything to do with AI ? It has to do with separating the appraiser from the property and isolating them from the market and from the parties who might be at a property and give information, making the appraiser into a ghost who sits at a desk analyzing "data."

Newbies going into the res end, which frankly without mortgage work will shrink into a tiny niche business - should understand that for res mortgage lending, which will continue in some form, for some time, due to the many complexities of some properties and human behavior not lining neatly up - it is not simply about AI making inroads; it is a field where powerful entities work against the role of the independent appraiser and independence of the appraiser.
Appraising used to be great and portions of it still are, but that window is shrinking - sad to report. I'd be the first to encourage people to get into it if things ever turn around.
 
That's what we keep hearing.
Rememver a few decades ago when the promise was the internet was going to change the world? Did it? It made some things worse and other things better and the world is more unstable, violent, and split then before - now tens of millions can believe a lie within a minute -the internet has given us much of course but taken away more in exchange.

The billionaires and tech geeks love to promise nirvana as they design systems that put cash in their pockets as it devalues human contribution and destabilizes society- into worshipping data because they fool themselves into thinking it is "objective" or that no moral compass "objectivity"( bought to you by profiteers) is somehow "better"- have RE markets, housing prices, and the opportunities within RE to make a living become any better in the last few years as more tech has taken hold ? Not at all-
The internet changed the world massively and that was just laying the foundation for what's coming. Opportunities in real estate are bountiful if you look in the right places but as far as sitting in front of a PC analyzing data at a snail's pace, those days are ending rapidly. You have to change and adapt; society isn't going to adapt to you.
 
The internet changed the world massively and that was just laying the foundation for what's coming. Opportunities in real estate are bountiful if you look in the right places but as far as sitting in front of a PC analyzing data at a snail's pace, those days are ending rapidly. You have to change and adapt; society isn't going to adapt to you.
It did not change the world massively - we are still mired in wars and fighting, and the world faces the same problems as before, only magnified in some ways - the Internet now allows fake news and lies to proliferate with sources not verified and identified hidden, etc.

It makes things more convenient and faster, and we can research things online instead of going to a brand order from Amazon instead of driving to a local store. Wow and wow to that.

The billionaires who profit from the internet and next AI want to fill people into believing it will make their lives better - it is a trade-off - and it accrues power and partially the owner of information into fewer hands.
 
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