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[J Grant]

That is exactly the point. Rust doesn't sleep and neither do the bean counters or the tech-bros and the engineers.

Even for their own self-interest, some of them are concerned, including Elon Musk who urged action and studies to prepare fro the future impact of AI

Remember Luigi assainationg the CEO of United Health Care? Expect a lot more of that if the tech titans benefit from throwing masses of people out of work.

The tech bros and owners of companies realize that if they fire people and use AI to make goods more efficiently, then where is the consumer base coming from to buy those goods, with vast numbers of people no longer earning an income?

 

[J Grant]

Protecting jobs of everyone is not class warfare and if it is , then class warfare needs to be on the table.

Idk why you think it is so terrific for the top 1% to profit off of misery. care to explain why that makes you so incredibly happy? Since you are not the 1% and neither are your kids or grandkids as far as I am aware. Those in the professional class if htye lose their job are the diving in the same dumpster as the laid off UBER driver.

 

[alebrewer]

Why does it have to be inevitable?

Why do we breathe in oxygen and breathe out carbon dioxide? That's just the way things work.

 

[alebrewer]

People can make decisions not to use certain tech - and it does become bad vs good - in the effects it has.

At the individual level, I don't disagree (the Amish are a good example). Decisions made at the individual level, however, don't have much of an impact on the advancement of technology (and specifically AI).

Get past it? Get past it to what?

Get past trying to contain the discussion into 'good' and 'bad' bins. Your opinion of AI being good or bad has ZERO to do with the ultimate outcome. That's why I suggested getting past that paradigm. Of course, you're under no obligation to do so.

 

[alebrewer]

Those in the professional class if htye lose their job are the diving in the same dumpster as the laid off UBER driver.

your imagination is fascinating.

 

[J Grant]

At the individual level, I don't disagree (the Amish are a good example). Decisions made at the individual level, however, don't have much of an impact on the advancement of technology (and specifically AI).


Get past trying to contain the discussion into 'good' and 'bad' bins. Your opinion of AI being good or bad has ZERO to do with the ultimate outcome. That's why I suggested getting past that paradigm. Of course, you're under no obligation to do so.

If enough people fear teh outcome would be bad and choose to take proactive action, then it can change the ultimate outcome.

IDK why you are so passive about the possibility that things can turn out badly, especially when with policy and planning ,it is not inevitable.

 

[J Grant]

Elon Musk and Others Call for Pause on A.I., Citing ‘Profound Risks to Society’​

More than 1,000 tech leaders, researchers and others signed an open letter urging a moratorium on the development of the most powerful artificial intelligence systems.

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Elon Musk, the chief executive of Twitter and Tesla, and other tech leaders have criticized an “out-of-control race” to develop more advanced artificial intelligence.Credit...Benjamin Fanjoy/Associated Press

By Cade Metz and Gregory Schmidt
March 29, 2023
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More than 1,000 technology leaders and researchers, including Elon Musk, have urged artificial intelligence labs to pause development of the most advanced systems, warning in an open letter that A.I. tools present “profound risks to society and humanity.”

A.I. developers are “locked in an out-of-control race to develop and deploy ever more powerful digital minds that no one — not even their creators — can understand, predict or reliably control,” according to the letter, which the nonprofit Future of Life Institute released on Wednesday.

Others who signed the letter include Steve Wozniak, a co-founder of Apple; Andrew Yang, an entrepreneur and a 2020 presidential candidate; and Rachel Bronson, the president of the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists, which sets the Doomsday Clock.

“These things are shaping our world,” said Gary Marcus, an entrepreneur and academic who has long complained of flaws in A.I. systems, in an interview. “We have a perfect storm of corporate irresponsibility, widespread adoption, lack of regulation and a huge number of unknowns.”

 

[George Hatch]

Protecting jobs of everyone is not class warfare and if it is , then class warfare needs to be on the table.

Idk why you think it is so terrific for the top 1% to profit off of misery. care to explain why that makes you so incredibly happy? Since you are not the 1% and neither are your kids or grandkids as far as I am aware. Those in the professional class if htye lose their job are the diving in the same dumpster as the laid off UBER driver.

I don't think about the rich. They aren't the people with whom I compete for resources. They don't make me happy, they don't make me unhappy.

As for the relentless march of technology, it isn't just the rich who benefit from that evolution. I also personally benefit from it. I use online banking instead of standing in the 1hr line at BofA like I did when I was 18. I use the self-checkout machines at the grocery store and Target. I use digital imagery and computer programs instead of 35mm developing and human typists. I use those tech advancements and a number of others without any regard for how many human employees they have displaced. I have to find/exploit my own opportunities in the general economy and so do they.

Even to the extent the various opinions about AI putting a lot of people out of work forever are correct, so what? Nobody is voluntarily going to stop taking advantage of their alternatives so that evolution is going to happen regardless of what we do.

One thing I know for sure, which is that it is not the role of government to function as a jobs program. Govt is morally obliged to operate with a reasonable amount of efficiency, and that will include the use of technology to leverage the human productivity. The money govt spends is NOT THEIR MONEY. It's our money, and govt has no right to recklessly squander it, receiving nothing in return.

 

[alebrewer]

If enough people fear teh outcome would be bad and choose to take proactive action, then it can change the ultimate outcome.

IDK why you are so passive about the possibility that things can turn out badly, especially when with policy and planning ,it is not inevitable.

Because I try not to dwell in the good vs bad realm. In order for one to believe something is intrinsically 'good' or 'bad', one must necessarily believe in moral absolutes - which I do not.

 

[Vermonter]

If enough people fear teh outcome would be bad and choose to take proactive action, then it can change the ultimate outcome.

IDK why you are so passive about the possibility that things can turn out badly, especially when with policy and planning ,it is not inevitable.

2 days ago you were saying AI was all hype and wasn't going to put us out of work, today we're too passive about the dangers of it?