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ABOLISH and OUTLAW bank owned/affiliated and/or contracted management companies.

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Wallow in your mire - not everyone can agree, or even agree to disagree, and I am fast learning that the AF addicts who have thousands of posts, that their only desire is to argue, but apparently have little or no interest in the resolution of problems, which is why they have thousands of posts, spin their wheels and accomplish nothing, other than useless conjecture.

Whoa! I missed this one.

Some posters appear argumentative, but it is so for a reason. Dissecting arguments on one's own is a learning experience, as well as watching others dissect. This forum is a 24/7 testing ground. I can't even begin to summarize how much I have learned from doing so. It's not just the learning...it's putting it in practice, which translates into money.

I am interested in solving the problem, but not in the manner you are handling it, through misrepresentation. That's a dead-end road. IMHO, the market will correct the problem faster than any appraisal org, union, or legislation can do.

I have solved my own problem, simply by reeducating myself and diversifying. If everyone had a diversified client base, then AMCs would have to compete with nonAMC clients. The AMCs then either have to raise their fees paid, which have to be higher than nonAMC clients to account for their ridiculous demands, or go out of business.
 
I have solved my own problem, simply by reeducating myself and diversifying. If everyone had a diversified client base, then AMCs would have to compete with nonAMC clients. The AMCs then either have to raise their fees paid, which have to be higher than nonAMC clients to account for their ridiculous demands, or go out of business.

David-

The only problem with your solution is that it is market-based!! :laugh: (which, as far as I'm concerned, is the best solution).
 
Abolish Bank Owned Mangament Companies

Is the union setting minimum fees free commerce?

There are no fees to join $000 - man your whole life is bent on de-constructive critisism. You are a sad sort - Consider becoming a lobbyist for the banks. No matter what reasoning is presented to you, you have a negitive counterpoint.
 
Is the union setting minimum fees free commerce?

There are no fees to join $000 - man your whole life is bent on de-constructive critisism. You are a sad sort - Consider becoming a lobbyist for the banks. No matter what reasoning is presented to you, you have a negitive counterpoint.
Are you sure you are not really Bill Sentner? :)

Why does FIRREA say the “Lender must engage?”
Because Congress decided after investigating the SL Crisis, that allowing borrowers to hire appraisers lead to a compromise of appraiser independence.
 
The reason FIRREA stipulates that the lender (or it's agent, which is what causes most of our problems) is required to engage the appraiser is because the feds came to the conclusion - from experience - that borrower engaged appraisals were even more of a threat to appraiser impartiality than lender-engaged appraisals.

From a regulatory standpoint it's a lot easier for the feds to regulate the conduct of the lenders than the mortgage brokers, if for no reason other than there being fewer of them. It's impossible to regulate the borrowers. We tried to excise the brokers out of the equation even way back then, but the mortgage banking lobby was successful in inserting the "or its agent" clause into FIRREA, much to our dismay. The fact that the feds didn't do their job with the lenders over the last few years doesn't diminish the dynamics or the reasoning for designating the lenders as being the accountable party.

It's been my experience that a mortgage broker's use of an appraisal and their definition of what constitutes a good appraisal is usually very different from that of a regulated institution or a federal banking examiner. To a mortgage broker, an appraisal is part of their marketing package; it's a sales brochure, their "intended use" of which is to entice a lender to loan as much money as possible on that property. That's very different that what we describe as the intended use of the appraisal in our reports.

Nobody is obligated to hire me; yes, this is true, but when a mortgage brokerage AGENT agrees to hire me, then the end lender must take my work, the only provision outstanding is whether I am competent to perform the assignment at hand.

Again, I'd remind you that it's highly unlikely that most of the mortgage brokers you work for are actually contracted agents of the lenders to whom they submit and are acting in their best interests. There are different levels of agency. These LOs are not representatives of that lender. They're outside sales people, not bankers.

The bottom line here is that at least one party on the lender's side of the transaction will be held legally accountable for the manner in which the appraisal assignment is engaged, and right now, your brokers aren't that party. That's why the lenders (who are that accountable party) have the discretion they have. It's a question of fairness.

I suggest you work on getting on more approval lists rather than complain about entitlement issues. That was how it worked for all appraisers prior to licensing and it continues to be the way it works for commercial appraisers. As a matter of fact, it's possible that the residential lenders might go back to approval lists by the time this current mess is over.

If you want to swim at this end of the pool you need to let go of the side.
 
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By the way, the ability to analyze and communicate a reasonable and objective opinion is a valuable asset to have when soliticing commercial appraisal assignments.
 
Ok Graig!, What the Heck are you doing?! You are really loosing your audience. There are many that have found what you are doing of great interest and just following how it pans out. This is a growing stage, you can not just expect everybody accept it right away or have everybody come on board. Much of what you think is attacks are constructive criticisms.

You have to realize the significance of this forum and the importance of what one post here. You made some very go points in which it does raise questions and many may be doing some extensive reviewing.

But I will go on the defense for some the forumites, in which they can hold their own. We have some of the brightest minds in appraising here, we do not all agree, but with all of this, we are able to synthesize all the data and all of us come to our conclusions and utilize it to everyday appraising or living.

We, are listening, but at the same time you need to listen to us. You will burn yourself out in a flash, and that is all it will be.
 
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How about everyone call a truce and get back to the basics? Maybe some of the people who truly disagree with the whole concept should just agree to disagree. Then whomever thinks this petition is a good idea, but thinks there are bugs to be worked out, should email Craig with their suggestions. Then the people that agree with the final product can sign it. Anyone who doesn't want to sign it can go about their business. This is the holidays. It's stressful enough as it is (believe me, I just did my second round of Christmas shopping, ugh).
 
Is the union setting minimum fees free commerce?

There are no fees to join $000

The goal of many (including certain unions) is to set minimum appraisal fees...that is not free commerce. It may be necessary in certain segments that are not subject to free market forces (teacher, police, certain single-industry economies out in the the middle of nowhere), but not necessary in this business, IMHO. That is self-evident to anyone with a diversified client base.

You can't argue free commerce (which already exists if you diversify), and then argue restraining it.

man your whole life is bent on de-constructive critisism. You are a sad sort - Consider becoming a lobbyist for the banks.

Why?

Don't assume that I am in favor of banks in particular. In fact, I do very little bank work anymore, and currently have no lending appraisals that I am working on. Lenders are nervous, and I'm not interested in dealing with the phone calls about utter nonissues. Other clients are less demanding, and pay just as well or more.

No matter what reasoning is presented to you, you have a negitive counterpoint.

Negativity?

I'm not the one with the vendetta that is misinterpreting the regs to fit an agenda. That appears to be a unanimous opinion, and nothing to do with me in particular. Take note of that point.

Now, is there any particular reason that you are avoiding supporting your positions when the gaping flaws are pointed out and must talk about other things. Educate the audience.
 
I welcome comments based on reason
I'm not so sure.

There are a lot of problems with AMC's, but this petition is not the way to deal with them. Nor is Mr. Butterfield the person to lead this fight. It will take someone who can maintain their detachment and suppress unsupported emotional responses.

If it's not clear enough from the way this thread has evolved, see post #22 on the following thread:
http://appraisersforum.com/showthread.php?t=129753
 
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