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All Solar, Et Al, In 12 Years?

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Personally,

I'm enjoying global warming.

It's 55 degrees here today, no snow, so no skiing tourists.

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Bob Eckstein (USA)

Have a global warming Christmas,
and in case you didn't hear,
Oh by Golly have a global warming Christmas,
this year!

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Now that I think about it,

This global warming is great!

It's too warm to light the fire in the fireplace,
Too warm to light the coal stove.

Maybe I'll go clean the BBQ grill and propane up some red meat for dinner!

Yeah, T shirts and sweat shirts for December wear!

Saving the planet through global warming.



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Is climate forecasting immune from Occam’s razor?

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Several authors have argued that the hypothesis of dangerous manmade global warming fails the test of Occam’s razor because the simple hypothesis of natural variation fits the data with fewer assumptions. As Harold Jeffreys noted, “simpler laws have the greater prior probability”. But are forecasts of dangerous warming immune from Occam’s razor?

It is on the basis of forecasts that the political leaders and government officials gathered in Paris are discussing agreements that would impose extraordinarily disruptive and expensive policies on the nations of the world. Those forecasts—called scenarios and projections by the U.N. Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC)—are the product of complex computer models involving multitudes of interacting assumptions.

The finding of Kesten Green and Scott Armstrong’s recent review that complexity increased forecast errors by 27% on average should give delegates at the Paris climate policy talks pause for thought. Occam’s razor would appear to apply to scientific forecasting, too.

At this year’s International Symposium on Forecasting, Kesten and Scott presented a review of the IPCC’s modeling procedures using a nine-item checklist on conformance with evidence-based guidance on simplicity in forecasting.

They found that the IPCC procedures have a “simplicity rating” of 19%. That figure contrasts with a simplicity rating of 93% for the Green, Armstrong and Soon no-change (no-trend) model of long-term global average temperatures.

Given the vast sums that have been spent on the IPCC process and how seriously the outputs are being taken by the Paris delegates, is it possible that alarm over dangerous manmade global warming is an exception to Occam’s razor in forecasting?

Apparently not. The evidence presented by a notional bet between Scott Armstrong and Al Gore—represented by forecasts from the simple no-trend model and the IPCC model “business as usual” projected warming rate of 0.03C per annum, respectively—is that the IPCC’s preference for complexity has increased the size of forecast errors by as much as 45% over a seven year period.

Earlier evidence in Green, Armstrong, and Soon’s (2009) validation study found that the IPCC’s complex forecasting models increased the size of forecast errors by seven times relative to the simple no-change model for the period of exponentially increasing atmospheric CO2 from 1851 to 1975.

Kesten and Scott’s conference paper abstract and slides are available from ResearchGate,here.
 
Australian scientists are not sure that there has been any increase in sea level. You cannot presume that land masses are stable. California, for instance, has a major subduction zone riding up under the continental plate. Movement is about the same as your fingernails grow...which is more than the claim in the rise of sea level.
I guess a lot of Pacific islands are sinking!?:rof:
 
James Hansen, father of climate change awareness, calls Paris talks 'a fraud'
The former Nasa scientist criticizes the talks, intended to reach a new global deal on cutting carbon emissions beyond 2020, as ‘no action, just promises

Mere mention of the Paris climate talks is enough to make James Hansen grumpy. The former Nasa scientist, considered the father of global awareness of climate change, is a soft-spoken, almost diffident Iowan. But when he talks about the gathering of nearly 200 nations, his demeanor changes.

It’s a fraud really, a fake,” he says, rubbing his head. “It’s just b*llsh*t for them to say: ‘We’ll have a 2C warming target and then try to do a little better every five years.’ It’s just worthless words. There is no action, just promises. As long as fossil fuels appear to be the cheapest fuels out there, they will be continued to be burned.”

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/dec/12/james-hansen-climate-change-paris-talks-fraud

My sentiments too. And this coming from the climate scientist that revised the temperature database to show increased warming too, trying to help grow the alarm. :)

It's the monster you created, live with it. :rof:
 
Certainly a credible source:

Willard Anthony Watts (Anthony Watts) is a blogger, weathercaster and non-scientist, paid AGW denier who runs the website wattsupwiththat.com. He does not have a university qualification and has no climate credentials other than being a radio weather announcer. His website is parodied and debunked at the website wottsupwiththat.com Watts is on the payroll of the Heartland Institute, which itself is funded by polluting industries.[1]

:rof:The Koch brothers can afford to buy all sorts of opinions.
 
Certainly a credible source:

Willard Anthony Watts (Anthony Watts) is a blogger, weathercaster and non-scientist, paid AGW denier who runs the website wattsupwiththat.com. He does not have a university qualification and has no climate credentials other than being a radio weather announcer. His website is parodied and debunked at the website wottsupwiththat.com Watts is on the payroll of the Heartland Institute, which itself is funded by polluting industries.[1]

:rof:The Koch brothers can afford to buy all sorts of opinions.

Try reading the link "here" as noted in the post.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/284724091_Are_IPCC_climate-forecasting_methods_too_complex

Don't believe you will get much out of it, does not support your limited understanding of how things work. :)
 
James Hansen, father of climate change awareness, calls Paris talks 'a fraud'
The former Nasa scientist criticizes the talks, intended to reach a new global deal on cutting carbon emissions beyond 2020, as ‘no action, just promises

Mere mention of the Paris climate talks is enough to make James Hansen grumpy. The former Nasa scientist, considered the father of global awareness of climate change, is a soft-spoken, almost diffident Iowan. But when he talks about the gathering of nearly 200 nations, his demeanor changes.

It’s a fraud really, a fake,” he says, rubbing his head. “It’s just b*llsh*t for them to say: ‘We’ll have a 2C warming target and then try to do a little better every five years.’ It’s just worthless words. There is no action, just promises. As long as fossil fuels appear to be the cheapest fuels out there, they will be continued to be burned.”

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/dec/12/james-hansen-climate-change-paris-talks-fraud

My sentiments too. And this coming from the climate scientist that revised the temperature database to show increased warming too, trying to help grow the alarm. :)

It's the monster you created, live with it. :rof:

Duncan, I think you missed his point which is that too little is being done. I don't think his alternative solution would be to do nothing! What he labels a fraud is the lack of effective action, not the existence of climate change. My science might not be up to par but your reading comprehension is in the same boat! :rof::eyecrazy:
 
And you've found the simplest method of all--deny all of the science! Funny stuff. Want to try to agree with Mr. Hansen while misunderstanding what he is saying or then turn and disparage him? You are a riot.
 
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