Analyze this statement.

[PropertyEconomics]

This is exactly what we are supposed to be, well maybe not a floor mat, but...

Trainees are at the bottom of the food chain. Just like a rookie on a sports team, pledge in a frat, a private in the army, etc. You have to eat a lot of s%$t before earning an ounce of respect, what's wrong with that?

I think most people on the forum give me more latitude than I ever could have expected in responses to urgent pleas for help.

I applaud you for disagreeing with people, but, from a fellow trainee, carry yourself humbly in the forum, especially when dealing with appraisers that have been in the trenches for decades and have eaten way more S&%t than us. My $0.02, take it or leave it.

Well said .. and not because I have eaten more S&%t than newbies. Its just nice to have your $0.02 in this discussion. I will take it.

Thanks for a good post ... I hope others give you a point for it as I did.

 

[Laughing Heir]

...hope others give you a point for it as I did.

Thanks PE. I'm definitely not here to kiss butt. Just having family in this industry since the 1950s might give me a different perspective. I know that when I started working with my dad and brother they probably gave me a harder time than a complete stranger would have!

 

[Kevin Mc]

Hmmm.

My mentor is just fine thanks. I made no mention of them and you taking a swipe at them, unfounded I might add, doesn't exactly add to your reputation.

Is your mentor letting you sign off on the review as it goes to the lender? Is your mentor allowing you to sign off on the FHA work you have stated you have worked on? Is your mentor allowing you to bid on appraisal assignments presented to your office through various AMCs your office works with? Not taking swipes, just inquiring minds want to know.

I appreciate your concern for my reputation, I'll work on that.

 

[Joker]

I was not joking when I suggested to turn this report in. The appraisal report is misleading. USPAP does not say anything close to what the report claims. I would suspect that there are other areas of concern with this report.

 

[Farm Gal]

Sigh - nice that you folks put out (most) of the fire by yourselves but could ya have skipped the 'tossing diss' trip entirely?

OK folks, kindly 'play nice' and adhere to the topic initiated by the OP.

That said: I digress myself - I happen to beleive that careful review of other's reports is the single best way to garner key phrases and learn the business... should a trainee's review of another appraisers work be reviewed prior to submission to a cleint - oh HECK yes... and not jsut for reasons of licensure!!!!

Absent the careful review and critique of a seasoned appraiser a newbie reviewer can dig themselves into a hole faster than working for high-pressure mortgage slime! Cause Johnny 'Reviewed' is gonna come back at him/her with guns a blazin!

I generally think of a review as a disassembly - reassembly process... I see no problem with dis-assembling a report.

When you break a report down into the base data, and see if the studs are square and true, and if the finish level is up to par given the scope of the assignment... Your final opinion/conclusion ought to look pretty similar to that developed by original appraiser and reported in the document you are reviewing! Same house, more or less...

IF however the base data is skewed (either subejct or market) you aren't going to build hte same house and get to describe YOUR house and then point out the differences!

So Hopefully in D3P (Disinterested Third Party) mode you tell the reader whatcha did - refer to the SOW -

Ummmm... WAS it ever established that this was a FANNIE appraisal/form?
Anyway tell the user what you opined, and whatcha think about the reviewed REPORT...

It aint brain surgury but sometimes does involve shootin. Make sure you are wearing YOUR Kevlar.

 

[The Warrior Monk]

Addendum added after client/poster request
Dismantle is a bad word. Bad bad bad. Never again will I use that word or imply that I like to dismantle other peoples work. Shoot, did I say it again?

Now take that piece of chalk and write on the blackboard 100x

I'm a bad boy for using dismantle
I'm a bad boy for using dismantle
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.
.

 

[T.J.]

Hello Webbed (PE as well, and yeah, pretty much everyone in this thread),

Thanks for the kind words. After having a night to sleep on it (not really though, still ill and now the wife is too so my night was just dandy!) I did a lot of thinking. I appreciate where everyone is coming from. There are a lot of people on here with a ton more knowledge and experience than I may ever have and I respect them all for that. However being that I have put in a lot of time, effort, and energy over the last two+ years I took personal the statement someone made about trainees and reviews, especially since I'm so close to technically not being a trainee anymore (which again I've worked long and hard for). But I'm not egotistical enough to think I'm better than anyone. But like anyone else I like to be approached with respect and not being attacked which is what the first post about trainees felt like. I'd like to apologize to PE, Kevin Mc, etc if for my over-reactive response(s). That was wrong on my part and I wish I could do it over again, but if I did it differently we may not be here now so I'm happy about that at least. I would defend myself again in a heartbeat, but maybe with a little o O (ok, a lot) more tact. :icon_idea: Pretty much everyone who has posted in this thread I respect for one reason or another for something they have posted in these forums and I don't want to offend anyone. Especially those who have been doing longer and better than more for so long.

As regards to the industry I too have seen some shotty workmanship. I've never had anything other than "little things" come back on me up to this point which I am grateful for. And when I start a review I never go into it thinking "how can we trash this person". That's not me. I treat people how I want to be treated, (excluding parts of this thread, sorry again guys. ) I'm looking for any piece of knowledge I can get my hands on. And when I came here for a way to "dismantle" that statement, my reason was how can I state this clearly without sounding like a pompous, arrogant jack-in-the-box, and not to imply that I was wanting to destroy someone else's work. And as you can see, sometimes I word things incorrectly and it can get me into trouble. That's how people can be around people they are comfortable with and I was comfortable with most of the people here and wanted to know what they would say so I didn't think anything about it. But I'm glad it worked out the way it did because I want everyones opinion I can get.

I'm not better than anyone. I do however take pride in my work and will defend it, but will also be open to new and possibly better ways of doing it. I always will because if I or anyone get to the point where our way is the way everyone should be doing then I believe that will hurt the industry more than what has happened already. Thanks to everyone and please accept my humble apology. I didn't mean any disrespect and I'll be more careful in the future.

P.S. Help me Obie Wan, you're my only hope.

The issue of trainee level people completing reviews of the work of other people that are above the trainee level. Assisting in this with supervision of a qualified higher level licensed supervisor? .. Ok, I'll go for that. But I'll post the following for other trainees, since you are brimming over with confidence! .. .. During a time when copious numbers of trainees are currently being trained by the clueless and willingly fraudulent, do you trainees really want to be signing professional reviews of the work of others? Not just that, but declaring war during a following rebuttal sequence of a ****ing match between yourselves and someone else? I'd like to advise that if you are that confident.. I surely hope you end up absolutely correct in every regard. Even then, you could be so right, you end up dead right. So are any of you really ready to walk a tight rope without a balancing pole and no safety net? Because with the supervisors most of you have, you don't have those things. Is that a time to be going head to head with other appraisers out to defend their reputations?

Webbed.

P.S. Congratulations for hanging in here! I tend to admire the tough skinned forum members that can take a few shots and come back for more! Not that I believe in taking shots at anyone for that purpose. But sometimes things just don't come out right in a post and stress effects us all. I'd like to take back a post or two I've made myself now and then. I believe staying in the game on this forum is the right choice.

 

[T.J.]

Now take that piece of chalk and write on the blackboard 100x

I'm a bad boy for using dismantle
I'm a bad boy for using dismantle
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.
.

Yes sir. Is a dry erase board ok? :laugh:

 

[T.J.]

Well said .. and not because I have eaten more S&%t than newbies. Its just nice to have your $0.02 in this discussion. I will take it.

Thanks for a good post ... I hope others give you a point for it as I did.

Point taken. Maybe put some chocolate syrup on the crap first thought please? Then I'd be all over it!

 

[T.J.]

This is exactly what we are supposed to be, well maybe not a floor mat, but...

Trainees are at the bottom of the food chain. Just like a rookie on a sports team, pledge in a frat, a private in the army, etc. You have to eat a lot of s%$t before earning an ounce of respect, what's wrong with that?

I think most people on the forum give me more latitude than I ever could have expected in responses to urgent pleas for help.

I applaud you for disagreeing with people, but, from a fellow trainee, carry yourself humbly in the forum, especially when dealing with appraisers that have been in the trenches for decades and have eaten way more S&%t than us. My $0.02, take it or leave it.

Hey....have I seen you on The Office? Is your real name Dwight?

Jus playin!