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[WillWorkForTraining]

I wasn’t referring to free CPE, I was referring to mandatory training required for recertification.

See, It’s up to the natural market to determine price supply and demand, not you as the supplier. When you as a group of suppliers purposely take action to reduce supply in an effort to increase fees, that’s against the law. It’s called price fixing. My contention is that you were all enabled to participate in price fixing because they require trainees to obtain hours from a licensee, but provide no motivation for you as licensees to actually provide that training. It allows licensees to control the market and that’s unfair on the trainee side, but illegal on the customer side.

As I said previously it’s obvious to me that I will have to find a different route to obtain hours, through a large bank for example. Wonder what they would think of the supply reduction practice?

 

[Addie]

Appraisers are terrible at being grouped together. They are allergic to it.

So you won’t find any case for price fixing as appraisers will never, have never banned together on anything. A subject (topic), in person, in business, in fees, etc.

This may come off as a knock. It’s not. I agree 100% with @George Hatch

 

[miktay]

My contention is that you were all enabled to participate in price fixing It allows licensees to control the market and that’s unfair on the trainee side, but illegal on the customer side. Wonder what they would think of the supply reduction practice?

Maybe it's just me, but I've always had a real problem with a new person coming into an industry, and right away starts complaining about "price fixing" and how "unfair" everything is.

 

[WillWorkForTraining]

So you won’t find any case for price fixing as appraisers will never, have never banned together on anything. A subject (topic), in person, in business, in fees, etc.

This may come off as a knock. It’s not. I agree 100% with @George Hatch

Except this. DUCY?

 

[George Hatch]

I wasn’t referring to free CPE, I was referring to mandatory training required for recertification.

See, It’s up to the natural market to determine price supply and demand, not you as the supplier. When you as a group of suppliers purposely take action to reduce supply in an effort to increase fees, that’s against the law. It’s called price fixing. My contention is that you were all enabled to participate in price fixing because they require trainees to obtain hours from a licensee, but provide no motivation for you as licensees to actually provide that training. It allows licensees to control the market and that’s unfair on the trainee side, but illegal on the customer side.

As I said previously it’s obvious to me that I will have to find a different route to obtain hours, through a large bank for example. Wonder what they would think of the supply reduction practice?

Uhhh, the natural market is comprised of both the supply side and the demand side. In our business the demand is flexible but the supply of productivity is inflexible. The way that translates is that more appraisers = lower fees; and fewer appraisers = higher fees. So yes, it absolutely is up to the suppliers to restrain themselves when it comes to adding more productivity. There most definitely is a point of diminishing returns.


As for the current system being rigged that's not exactly true. Although some of the details have changes, the same education+experience system has been in place for 26 years now and yet under that system the number of SFR appraisers in Calif nearly doubled between 2002-2007. So the experience requirement obviosuly didn't stop THOSE people from getting into the business.

Experience was effectively a requirement prior to licensing, too. Most everyone had to work under supervision anyway because nobody was marketable until they built their own reputation over several years. There was no master list or online databases that clients could work off of under the assumption that everyone on that list was at least minimally qualified.

And we all had to demonstrate our experience in order to qualify for the permanent license at the outset of licensing anyway. To the best of my knowledge nobody was "grandfathered" into licensure in California when they brought licensing online. I knew several appraisers who had years of experience but who were unable to make the transition because they couldn't demonstrate the education requirement or couldn't pass the test.

 

[George Hatch]

With all that said, if you're the type of person who *needs" to do this then none of these obstacles will deter you. You'll prevail anyway. If not, you'll join the thousands of licensed trainees in Calif alone who eventually discovered that getting the Trainee license was a whole lot easier than getting a job as an appraiser.

 

[WillWorkForTraining]

I knew several appraisers who had years of experience but who were unable to make the transition because they couldn't demonstrate the education requirement or couldn't pass the test.

And yet the only thing holding those appraisers back was THEM. They weren’t restricted from a field because of obvious competition restriction.
What you say about pricing and competition restriction is absolutely true, I know appraisers do that. My point is that it’s illegal per FTC

 

[WillWorkForTraining]

Maybe it's just me, but I've always had a real problem with a new person coming into an industry, and right away starts complaining about "price fixing" and how "unfair" everything is.

If the shoe fits...

 

[George Hatch]

This may be a new discussion for you, but it's been a recurring theme on this forum for many years. You're not the first rookie to have these opinions and you won't be the last. There'll be someone else along shortly to cover the same ground you're covering now.

We're used to it.
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Regardless, if you can take what you want then you're welcome to it. OTOH, if you need us to give it to you..........

 

[WillWorkForTraining]

Oh good. Glad you are used to it, it helps so you can’t claim ignorance when the time comes.

Perhaps you haven’t run across anybody with both motivation and resources. I may be a “rookie” in appraisal, but not in many other ways. Who knows maybe what you are all doing is completely legal, but I intend to find out. ...