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Anyone Going To Valuation Expo ** Las Vegas In August ?

Which will not cause the masses to rise up in rebellion against AMC fees. Because that is what it would take to make a rats azz difference
What if this lawsuit gains ground in California?

I think an appraiser started the lawsuit. If CFPB and FTC get involved, the whole ballgame changes on appraisal management companies and truth in lending regulations.

@Francois K. Gregoire is saying the same. He don't think it is right for fees to be commingled on truth in lending disclosures.

I think the lawsuit is wanting the State of California to grab the bull by the horns on commingling of fees and truth in lending.
 
It would change the whole market structure in appraisal profession. Three of the main things separation of fees would accomplish are:

1. It would be at the heart of truth in lending act and law.

2. It would pit appraisal management companies against each other in intense competition.

3. It would be fair to appraisers.
 
There is a big 4th factor that many people overlook. It would change the tax rate for many STATES on Appraisal management companies where their home base is within A State and they are doing business in other STATES. There is a tax called business tax within a State's boundaries.

I don't know all State's tax laws, but in Tennesse, if you hold a business license in TN then you pay business tax in Tennessee.

Do you understand what the impacts of separation of fees would be in America?


From what I have been told, it could make more difference in some States than other States. I am not a CPA.
 
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Ok. Now somewhat rested and in between researching my appointments for today, let’s get into Day 3 CE from Val Expo:

The day started off with Paula Konikoff from the Appraisal Institute plugging their community of appraisers and the benefits of being a part. Even though she called it out as an “infomercial”, it was great to hear, as my last few years have just been head down training or working towards my Certified Residential license, and I’ve not had the bandwidth to join any appraisal organization. A great point from the prior day that ties in, is that designation and proof you are part of a knowledge community is helpful in proving you are an expert if you are trying to be an expert witness.

The next panel was AI Pros and Cons, where it seemed that most everyone on stage was completely bought into the AI hype machine, though I appreciated Jeff Bradford’s conservative approach to utilizing AI (he knows his stuff and made good points bout how deep learning models are more reliable than generative AI). No talk of how appraisers can specifically utilize the technology, just that we should mess around with it and see what works for us.

I will be honest about the pre lunch session on Scope of Work/ How to Reduce Revision Requests, I was trying to keep my attention, but it was a bit so/so. Most of the revision requests I get are the reader not finding the place I’ve already talked about something, so with 3.6 having commentary right next to the work, I kinda checked out because the advice they were giving was pretty straightforward if you are a competent appraiser. With 3.6 having a place in the grid section where you can put comps you considered but did not use (plus a space for commentary why), that should also reduce revision requests around comps, so again, I just checked out cause I was hungry, haha

Post lunch session was How AI Agents are Replacing Manual Labor in Mortgage Ops. Did not seem geared towards appraisers at first and perhaps more of the others represented in the crowd, but a run through of possibilities of use of AI in the mortgage process. I did ask a question of if AI is good enough to automate the “front office” duties, and one of the speakers said yes, and that it could even handle quoting appraisals and handling customer service needs. Now, he did not mention any specifics, as it seems most of those directly tied to AI are full in on the kool-aid and just want you to use their solution (as the person answering was from the organization that sponsored the stage, Alpha7x). All around Ok, but nothing substantial I got from it other than being asked to jump on the hype train

The session on Manufactured homes was great, and pretty straightforward. Why anyone would be afraid of doing manufactured work is crazy to me, and enjoyed that they showed what it will kind of look like in the new report structure, if I am remembering correctly. Great discussion of depreciation of Manuf homes even before they are set, as the transport of it does introduce wear and tear on the house, doubly so if it gets moved again.

Last session of worth was about supporting adjustments, which did include a link to Freddie’s Market Conditions Analysis Industry Resources pdf, which they just released last month. It gives links to tools for adjustments, as well as a list of Home Price Indexes for whatever data needs that satisfies for you. Again, straightforward. Show your work and don’t just rely on the math to tell the story of the data.

I did not care for the final panel “Navigating a Strong Future for Appraisers in an AI world”, as it felt like another reiteration of “use AI, it we won’t tell you how to apply it specifically” from a guy who benefits from more investment into AI in this space.
Didn’t help that most of us were chomping at the bit to get home either. The other days were more helpful in “navigating a strong future” as it actually helped me diversify my book of business or clued me into different avenues to sell my services; This was just window dressing that did not meaningfully talk about a strong future for appraisers and does not push back against the possibility that AI might not be the silver bullet everyone thinks it is.

Overall, interesting set of panels this year, and interested to see what the big topics will become this next year!

This was a most interesting conference for me. I spent the breaks trying to sit down and speak with as many appraisers as I could, and there were definitely two distinct groups of appraisers in attendance. The first was definitely not excited about the new UAD and having to learn new software. However, I also talked to many who were very excited about the transition to a more modern reporting mechanism, and among that group many had already developed good strategies for making the transition. The fact that so many were in the latter camp was very encouraging.

The other thing that stood out to me was the new players entering the appraisal software business. The tools and features they offered were very impressive. Time will tell if those new companies will gain a foothold or not, but even if they do not it seems quite evident that they will push some of the established companies to be more innovative and offer more features to assist appraisers - and that is a win for appraisers either way it goes. In the past, the software has mostly focused on form filling/report generation. The newer companies are more focused on the entire process - developing software to help with all aspects of an assignment in a single package.
 
This was a most interesting conference for me. I spent the breaks trying to sit down and speak with as many appraisers as I could, and there were definitely two distinct groups of appraisers in attendance. The first was definitely not excited about the new UAD and having to learn new software. However, I also talked to many who were very excited about the transition to a more modern reporting mechanism, and among that group many had already developed good strategies for making the transition. The fact that so many were in the latter camp was very encouraging.

The other thing that stood out to me was the new players entering the appraisal software business. The tools and features they offered were very impressive. Time will tell if those new companies will gain a foothold or not, but even if they do not it seems quite evident that they will push some of the established companies to be more innovative and offer more features to assist appraisers - and that is a win for appraisers either way it goes. In the past, the software has mostly focused on form filling/report generation. The newer companies are more focused on the entire process - developing software to help with all aspects of an assignment in a single package.
Thanks for sharing.

Could you touch on how separation of appraisal and appraisal management fees would improve appraisal profession and reasons why it would?
 
Posted in Reddit by someone who attended the AMC Expo:

**ACI Workbench Pros-**
* Web based and their user interface looks great.
* Linked to First American data and allegedly has an API connected.
**ACI Workbench Cons-**
* I was signed up for the private demo, and typical ACI fashion, all of our computers crashed. We did not have an opportunity to even use the software.
* No cloning allowed from previous reports.
* I was hearing through other attendees that they will not be ready for September 8th.
* Does not have its own sketching platform.
* Was told that they might raise prices.
**Overall ACI Workbench. Score 6.5/10**
* I was not impressed and not surprised that all of our computers crashed during the demo, but the overall user interface did look pretty cool. But was really disappointed that I could not use the software and it was crashing.
**Aivre Pros**
* User interface looked the best overall and is web based.
* Is using AI and Gen AI to help fill out the report. Also has a mobile app.
* Hands on demo and actually got to interact with their software.
* Appraiser Led.
**Aivre Cons**
* Does not have Lidar Technology for scanning a floorplan.
* Pricing is unknown but was told it would be price per report for Limited and Broad Production.
**Overall Aivre. Score 8/10**
* Overall, I thought this was the most innovating software. They are leveraging AI to help us fill out the new report as opposed to hand typing over 1000 data points in this new UAD 3.6. I was actually by the GSE's to go check them out. But curious about the pricing.
**Bradford Technolgies (NightHawk) Pros**
* Led by Jeff Bradford who is a legend.
* Somewhat of a hands-on demo.
* One of the few software vendors giving demos.
**Bradford Technolgies (NightHawk) Cons**
* Seemed buggy during our demo but is fixable
* Looks outdated
* No pricing discussed.
**Overall Bradford Technolgies. Score 6.5/10**
* Seemed like they were bringing familiarity from ClickForms into Nighthawk. Also again, is led by a legend.
**Cotality formally known as CoreLogic** **Pros**
* Booth looked really cool with cool branding.
**Cotality formally known as CoreLogic** **Cons**
* I was expecting way more regarding UAD 3.6 and getting my hands on their software.
* They really pushing their Scan to Sketch tech which we all know crashes
**Overall Cotality. Score: 5/10**
* I was expecting way more from Cotality and showing off their UAD 3.6 but was disappointed.
**Freedom Pros**
* Allegedly can complete a 95% report in 8 minutes. We'll see if that is possible.
* In house mobile app but not completed.
* Appraiser Led.
**Freedom Cons**
* Was told by Andy they had an ANSI compliant sketch but was told by their developer they do not.
* Looks outdated.
**Freedom Overall. Score 3/10**
* Was not impressed. His projector kept overheating.
**SFREP Pros**
* Was told that they are GSE compliant for Limited Production.
* Their demo did not crash and seemed good.
* Pricing seemed reasonable
**SFREP Cons**
* Everything is manual. Might be tough to type over 1000 data points and does not seem innovating.
* No in-house mobile app.
**SFREP Overall. Score: 7/10**
* It is good that they are compliant with the GSEs, and their demo did not crash.
 
Sounds like a real cluster **** as we sit here a month away from apparently some appraisers are starting to use this.

I’ll wait another year for the bugs to be worked out. Or the entire thing to be scrapped
 
Sounds like a real cluster **** as we sit here a month away from apparently some appraisers are starting to use this.

I’ll wait another year for the bugs to be worked out. Or the entire thing to be scrapped
Awe c'mon! Why not fly across the country to attend a class? You hate the profession? Refuse to change? Scared of technology?
 
Ya'll are missing the point. The point is public trust and truth in lending. God, I hope and pray that appraiser in CA with lawsuit gains ground. I don't know the judge over it.

There has to be a judge over it with the lawsuit filed. I have not heard anything about a trial date or settlements or anything like that. But I have heard the lawsuit is in place.
 
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