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Anyone interested in appraisal forms in Excel?

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I believe the merge limit is 256 fields. I've never done a document large enough to slow down using linked documents, but I'll take your word for it.
 
Microsoft Access is a better tool for generating forms than Excel. The reports feature gives you total control of the placement of the various fields needed for the report. I have attached a pdf file of what should have been on the 1004MC form to show what it can do. The 68 years of months of housing supply is not my record, I did one where there were no sales within ten miles in the past year.
 

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I can't believe I just discovered this thread!!

Thanks, George, for startng it.......and thanks for all the contributions so far.
We aren't "Fannie" people in our office, so the discussion is of great interest to me.
If there is anything I can do to help, let me know.......if I'm not too late to the party.
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HAPPY NEW YEAR
 
I kinda let this thread percolate on its own for the last couple weeks and now I see we've attracted a little more attention.

I've already received a couple of pdfs from appraisers who have built the URAR in Excel and I've handed out a couple sets of the non-Fannie forms I've built on Excel. I will say that the examples I've already seen are a lot more sophisticated and have more features than the crude versions I've already built.

For reference, I approached my version as a stand alone Excel application, without incorporating Word or Access, because (for one thing) I hate Word, and I wanted to keep the application really simple and straightforward. And believe me, my version is simple and straightforward; i.e., crude. At this point it acts just like an inexpensive word processor with some internal math functions that you would find on any low-dollar appraisalware package. I haven't enabled the import or built statistical analysis or merging data with commentary.

Now that there are a few more people who have some interest in it, I'd like to get an idea of the degree of sophistication you guys would be interested in dealing with on a forms engine. You have to realize that there's a big difference between an Excel form that's set up to act mostly like a word processor (with limitations) with simple math functions in the grids and such vs. one that's set up to take advantage of the import, statistical analyses, graphing and database functions. The more features that are involved, the greater the skill level necessary to operate it, and more importantly, to tweak it on a per-assignment basis.

Using some of Excel's capabilities involve being able to write macros and doing some programming. Those people who already know how to do that will say its a simple thing, but for most of us it is a huge learning curve that most users won't be able to manage. That's why it makes more sense for most of us to buy appraisalware packages off of the professionals.

For that reason, I would tend to advocate taking a simple approach for the masses for an open source application. That will enable more casual users to use it and make it easier for them to develop their own custom form variations later on down the line.

Then the all-star programmers can take it from there for their own usage and swap between themselves if they have an interest in that. From what I'm hearing, these guys are a lot more specific about the types of analyses and features they want to use in their reports. It is these optional features and all the possibilities that make things more complicated for the casual users. Then too, most appraisers don't use but a fraction of the productivity features that are built into the professional appraisalware applications.

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Thanks again, George.

The simpler, the better for me. I am FAR from a whiz on Excel. My IT guy can figure it all out...but I'd rather learn it myself and not have to rely upon him. Programming is definately beyound my scope.

I have functional obsolescence due to an inadequacy.

My areas of expertise lie in writing and organizational skills (sometimes). Let me know if I can assist.
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Years ago I had developed a very sophisticated foreclosure tracking system that used Excel and Word. What eventually happened is that the system got too complicated as my needs went beyond simple sorting and mail mergine. Microsoft's programs can be connected together with code and that's what experienced programmers do. But it gets complicated rather quickly.

Excel has really lousy text formatting capabilities and takes way too long to get things look properly. And without some pretty hefty coding it isn't easy to develop a 'system' with it. If you do eventually start to pull everything together properly then you suddenly realize that it's much easier just to start from scratch with conventional programming code.

MS Access and Crystal Reports would probably be a better way to do this. The biggest problem with Excel is that its rudimentary database capabilities will never be anything more than a flat file database. Access overcomes those limitations and CR's can handle any of the complex formatting needs.

Nonetheless, in order to develop a 'system' with Excel you really need to be able to code in order to build decision making and logic into the system. Otherwise you just end up with the user having to provide the program flow.
 
I think I'd revert back to the question of whether most appraisers who would use a set of files built off an MS-Office or other non-appraisalware programs would have any interest or ability in using database functions. I suppose it would depend on their reasons for using such a program in lieu of purchasing and maintaining a prebuilt package from any of the existing vendors.

I have to believe that cost would be one motivator. Control over formats and the ability to create new formats would be another. Building new tools into it would be yet another.

These all have time vs. cash compromises, not to mention learning curves and skill sets. In addition, all these programs have their own development tracks that will require future purchases of software. While they do have limitations, one nice thing about a spreadsheet program is that the basic formatting and equation syntax doesn't change (much) from one version to the next.

I was thinking about possibly building something like this in an open source spreadsheet program that appraisers could download for free/cheap, like maybe OpenOffice. I mean, how cool would it be to have the freedom to use a Mac or Linux OS?

I don't know anything about Crystal Reports. I'll go check it out. In the meantime, what can you tell me about it?
 
Crystal Reports http://www.businessobjects.com/ is pretty much the 'standard' when it comes to producing reports from a variety of data sources, especialliy databases. There's a ton of support for it out there.

One program that I owned years ago is called HotDocs http://www.hotdocs.com. It's an extremely comprehensive program that works with MSWord to fill in documents. It's used quite a bit in some of the high end law offices where they want to create contracts in an orderly fashion and want to make sure the same language gets in each time. You can apply logic to the individual form fields so that certain actions occur as a result of the user input. The main problem is having to deal with MSWord for the formatting of the forms :)- it's tough to do it easily.
 
Hi there, I just started working on a fillable 1004mc. Maybe I'm wasting my time if there is one out there already. I have ACI and really don't want to pay to get it.
 
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CAPS ARE FOR MY OLD EYES.

LOOKS GOOD. I WISH I COULD REMEMBER IN USING Excel, HOW TO MAKE A DROP DOWN PHRASES.

IT WOULD THEN BE EASY TO DUPLICATE IT. THEN WE COULD EXPORT FROM MLS INTO FORM.

ARKIE ED
 
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