Appraisal Institute Controversy Part 2

[TerryRohrer]

Any idea what the current numbers are? I'm a member and can't get an answer, but from what I can dig up we may break below 10k in 2025 depending on how renewals come in.

My guess is there are about 12,500 members now. I don't recall the term, but the acting CEO indicated about 12,900, but then qualified that about 400 or 500 of those were some category not paying dues.

 

[George Hatch]

TBH I'm a little surprised at these numbers. I thought they were higher.

 

[PrincessLeia]

My guess is there are about 12,500 members now. I don't recall the term, but the acting CEO indicated about 12,900, but then qualified that about 400 or 500 of those were some category not paying dues.

That is artificially inflated and is several years out of date. It includes people who haven't renewed membership for several years...... They claim to "not know" how many active, current, paying members we have.....

 

[TerryRohrer]

That is artificially inflated and is several years out of date. It includes people who haven't renewed membership for several years...... They claim to "not know" how many active, current, paying members we have.....

Where does this information come from?

 

[CGinMN]

https://www.appraisalinstitute.org/getmedia/04bd88c2-0e6f-4251-b005-98e9cb099f0f/AI-affiliation-fact-sheet.pdf

As of 2013 2023:
"The Appraisal Institute is a global professional association of real estate appraisers, with over 16,000 professionals in almost 50 countries throughout the world."
"Over 2,600 Designated Members are in retired status."

The AI directory shows about 10,000 active in the US last I checked

 

[TerryRohrer]

https://www.appraisalinstitute.org/getmedia/04bd88c2-0e6f-4251-b005-98e9cb099f0f/AI-affiliation-fact-sheet.pdf

As of 2013:
"The Appraisal Institute is a global professional association of real estate appraisers, with over 16,000 professionals in almost 50 countries throughout the world."
"Over 2,600 Designated Members are in retired status."

There is an artful demonstration in obfuscation!

 

[TerryRohrer]

According to the AI Director of Membership, today:

Numbers as of 11/1/24
15,784 Total AI Professionals
11,026 (70%) Designated Members
763 (5%) Candidates for Designation
3,243 (21%) Practicing Affiliates
748 (5%) Affiliates & Student Affiliates

Among the designated members are somewhere around 2,500 who are retired and may or may not exist any longer. Those will be converted to paying minimal dues by the end of the year, or will be dropped from the membership rolls.

I am not aware of an AI Directory that shows all members? The only one I can find online will show up to 600 members at once. The Find an Appraiser function on the website reveals about 9,900 members, but each member can choose to opt out of that database.

 

[PrincessLeia]

According to the AI Director of Membership, today:

Numbers as of 11/1/24
15,784 Total AI Professionals
11,026 (70%) Designated Members
763 (5%) Candidates for Designation
3,243 (21%) Practicing Affiliates
748 (5%) Affiliates & Student Affiliates

Among the designated members are somewhere around 2,500 who are retired and may or may not exist any longer. Those will be converted to paying minimal dues by the end of the year, or will be dropped from the membership rolls.

I am not aware of an AI Directory that shows all members? The only one I can find online will show up to 600 members at once. The Find an Appraiser function on the website reveals about 9,900 members, but each member can choose to opt out of that database.

I know those are the published numbers. But I'd bet my life those are inflated & outdated.... The information came from a member who was at the recent meeting in Chicago and witnessed the exchange with the new CEO.

 

[TerryRohrer]

I know those are the published numbers. But I'd bet my life those are inflated & outdated.... The information came from a member who was at the recent meeting in Chicago and witnessed the exchange with the new CEO.

I watched the same meeting where the CEO spoke. When you see the overall picture, nothing he said was far from reality. I exchanged emails with, and spoke on the phone with, the person who compiles the numbers. The "inflated and outdated" is all within the "retired" category of around 2,500 members. Until very recently, like within the last year, there was no communication with those folks. Once they were categorized as "retired", there were no dues and no contact and no way to monitor if they were even living. So there could be people deceased for 20 years within that category. There was some split between those who received services and paid a minimal annual fee (The Appraisal Journal, mainly) and some who did not. Now, all retired will be paying $50 annually to count in the retired category, or will be dropped off the rolls (by the end of this year). So, taking all that into account, there are about 12,500 dues paying, practicing members plus some others.

 

[RCA]

I watched the same meeting where the CEO spoke. When you see the overall picture, nothing he said was far from reality. I exchanged emails with, and spoke on the phone with, the person who compiles the numbers. The "inflated and outdated" is all within the "retired" category of around 2,500 members. Until very recently, like within the last year, there was no communication with those folks. Once they were categorized as "retired", there were no dues and no contact and no way to monitor if they were even living. So there could be people deceased for 20 years within that category. There was some split between those who received services and paid a minimal annual fee (The Appraisal Journal, mainly) and some who did not. Now, all retired will be paying $50 annually to count in the retired category, or will be dropped off the rolls (by the end of this year). So, taking all that into account, there are about 12,500 dues paying, practicing members plus some others.

Vs. 130,000 members for RICS which is 150 years old. …