Assessed Value Of Storm Water Management Ponds

[JTip]

I love my CG buddy.

He said, and I quote: "Dumb builder"

"In the process of the subdivision approval, they should have given it to the township. They kept it, for whatever reason, and now they have to cut the grass, repair the fence and pay the taxes. They get NO money from the homeowners for this common area and are stuck with the liability.....dumb."

"Beg, on your knees, for the municipality to take it, at no charge. You won't find sales because other builders are not dumb."

lol. 70yo CG telling it like it is. Gonna miss him when he retires.....

 

[Mr Rex]

Why would the township accept it and lose the tax base and acquire the maintenance requirements?

 

[JTip]

Because that's what the developer needs to happen in order to build 50 very nice home and increase the overall tax base.

But it's too late. They should have done it in the subdivision process....you take the pond, we build 50 expensive homes generating huge tax revenue for the township.....

Knees.....beg.......

 

[Meandering]

Why would the township accept it and lose the tax base and acquire the maintenance requirements?

Townships always accept them here.

Storm water management is one of the powers of a township. It not only protects the homes in the communities, it also protects everyone else, down hill, the infrastructure of other roads in other communities/any nearby connecting roads down hill.

These should have been donated at completion. If HOA is not going to own the roads, roads also get donated to the municipalities. And don't get me started on bridges and wetlands in PUDs.

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[Meandering]

Because that's what the developer needs to happen in order to build 50 very nice home and increase the overall tax base.

But it's too late. They should have done it in the subdivision process....you take the pond, we build 50 expensive homes generating huge tax revenue for the township.....

Knees.....beg.......

Not necessarily too late.

Check the county 2020 plan.

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[Meandering]

The bottom line is if the subdivision goes belly up,

Nobody pays the taxes on the lots with the retention ponds, and the tax assessor takes those lots. They can not be resold, as they have no MARKETABLE UTILITY for land buyers. They've already been counted in the subdivision they are serving, so they can not be counted to build any new subdivision. Hence the municipality winds up with them anyway.

Talk to the municipality about accepting them as a donation.
I do not believe municipalities can turn down any donation of land, regardless to its restrictions.

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[Mr Rex]

Townships always accept them here.

Storm water management is one of the powers of a township. It not only protects the homes in the communities, it also protects everyone else, down hill, the infrastructure of other roads in other communities/any nearby connecting roads down hill.

These should have been donated at completion. If HOA is not going to own the roads, roads also get donated to the municipalities. And don't get me started on bridges and wetlands in PUDs.

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NC automatically accepted subdivision roads into the NCDOT system once they were 50% built up until budget crisis' in the 2000s. Now there are a bunch of subdivisions out there with private roads and no HOA to pay for upkeep. Ruproh, along comes an appraiser doing due diligence and discovers the private roads and a whole neighborhood finds out they better form a HOA fast...

 

[Meandering]

NC automatically accepted subdivision roads into the NCDOT system once they were 50% built up until budget crisis' in the 2000s. Now there are a bunch of subdivisions out there with private roads and no HOA to pay for upkeep. Ruproh, along comes an appraiser doing due diligence and discovers the private roads and a whole neighborhood finds out they better form a HOA fast...

We have subdivisions with both public roads and private roads.
Private roads have to be built to, here, PENNDOT standards, for width, setbacks, curve radius, slope grade. The roads have to get PENNDOT approval, prior to being built in order for the municipalities to accept them.

If the roads are not PENNDOT approved, they must be brought up to standards of PENNDOT in order for that to happen after build out.

Roads are not retention ponds.

SUBDIVIION ANALYSIS the AI has a great course in it, but experience doing subdivision analysis is the key to understanding the interaction of approvals, and laws.

Do not assume that roads are private because of government budgets.

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[Gobears81]

We have subdivisions with both public roads and private roads.
Private roads have to be built to, here, PENNDOT standards, for width, setbacks, curve radius, slope grade. The roads have to get PENNDOT approval, prior to being built in order for the municipalities to accept them.

If the roads are not PENNDOT approved, they must be brought up to standards of PENNDOT in order for that to happen after build out.

Roads are not retention ponds.

SUBDIVIION ANALYSIS the AI has a great course in it, but experience doing subdivision analysis is the key to understanding the interaction of approvals, and laws.

Do not assume that roads are private because of government budgets.

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Does Pennsylvania assess private streets in developments?

 

[DREA Dean]

Does Pennsylvania assess private streets in developments?

I've seen it done a couple of ways. If they are private streets, sometimes each lot extends to the middle of the fronting private street, and the street is part of the lot area. Other times, the private street is shown and excluded from lot areas, and is part of the mother parcel. It still has the parcel number of the original parcel before development, as do other common areas, including SWM areas. In most of the subdivisions I reviewed, the SWM areas are either part of the mother parcel or have been taken over by the municipality. The subdivision I'm currently looking at is the only one I've found where the SWM areas have been given their own parcel numbers and assessed individually.