Assessed Value Of Storm Water Management Ponds

[Mr Rex]

Not the same thing. They don't approve the project's they approve the design of the roads. It was never a given that they would automatically go into the state system, that was a separate application after 50% build out.

 

[Meandering]

Good to know.

And does that include the intersection with existing public roads? Required traffic lights? curb let downs and sidewalks? Line of sight obstructions? in the permitting and planning phases, yet it doesn't get accepted until build out is 50%, of the roads? Or of the entire development?

What about turning lanes? I forgot to ask that, but, do your developers add them to the existing public road for access, or does your DOT build out the access road first?

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[Eli]

The situation i saw the state didn't do anything in the pud. They fixed the drainage problem by redoing the state highway drainage adjoining the PUD. It was not in a flood zone (special flood hazard area). Until they did that, it was a mess. Like I have some swamp land I need to sell you along with a bridge to nowhere. That's bad for half million dollar homes.

 

[Meandering]

The situation i saw the state didn't do anything in the pud. They fixed the drainage problem by redoing the state highway drainage adjoining the PUD. It was not in a flood zone (special flood hazard area). Until they did that, it was a mess. Like I have some swamp land I need to sell you along with a bridge to nowhere.

That's interesting.

Always fun to learn about different places.

We had some high end PUDs with golf courses that went belly up.

The township kept one of them from tax sale, another got sold to a developer from tax sale.

The township dropped all the gates from the one they acquired and they run the golf course now.

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[Terrel L. Shields]

they approve the design of the roads. It was never a given that they would automatically go into the state system,

Yes, and here rural subdivisions build to nearby city specs in the event the city annexes them, they will accept maintenance of the road. And yes I pay taxes to center of road. Not on section line, but gov took them over decades ago.

 

[Mr Rex]

Good to know.

And does that include the intersection with existing public roads? Required traffic lights? curb let downs and sidewalks? Line of sight obstructions? in the permitting and planning phases, yet it doesn't get accepted until build out is 50%, of the roads? Or of the entire development?

What about turning lanes? I forgot to ask that, but, do your developers add them to the existing public road for access, or does your DOT build out the access road first?

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yes all that, lane width, turning radius, turn lanes, ditch and pipe requirements etc and developers are responsible for adding turn lanes, traffic lights etc as needed to meet their requirements. I did several appraisals a few years ago for a country store/C station that was buying up the adjoining houses so that he could expand his business substantially. The required improvements to the existing road was nearly 1/2 as much as the cost of his expansion and he scraped the whole thing. Its on the corner of a 2 lane road with a center turn lane and a 2 lane side road. Traffic lights already in place. I suggested he have a 3rd party traffic study done to show his expansion would not increase the traffic that already exists on a major road in and out of town but he never did.

 

[Eli]

The city owns maintenance of the streets in the pud I refer to but they didn't own the drainage areas. That is where it got ugly. It wasn't fully developed and the developer was long gone under.

In one suburban city here, if you have a crack in the sidewalk, you will fix it before you can sell that house if the city maintains the street.

 

[Meandering]

He probably never did because even if he could prove no impact, they would not accept it, based on the future, (in their minds) megalopolis saturation requiring road improvements they'd have to pay for, hence, a penny saved is a penny earned. So let all new commercial construction pay for road improvements expected to last into the next century, or until drones replace cars. It's a common expense and requirement for commercial construction in most places anymore.

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[Meandering]

The city owns maintenance of the streets in the pud I refer to but they didn't own the drainage areas. That is where it got ugly. It wasn't fully developed and the developer was long gone under.

If the developer went under,
who is paying the taxes and insurance on the common areas, that are not streets?

 

[Mark K]

That is a stupid statement on the face of it.

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Spoken like a true farmer, AKA, typical ag welfare recipient.

I know, you're on a mission from God. Everyone else should subsidize your taxes and your business because you're "special".

Nobody else has a business that's as important to the world as yours.

Same BS I hear from local farmers when they complain about their 'high' taxes.

In this area, $1 Million dollar ag business land (120 acres, +/-) pays about $2,000/year in property taxes.

$1 Million commercial, non ag, property pays about $30K/year.

Yeah, that's fair.