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My son works for a regional roofing company and sells commercial roofing, warehouses, commercial buildings, etc.

He told his boss that this may be an existential threat to their company. They sub out most of their jobs and its likely that the subs will run out of workers real soon.

And, BTW, you can't pay a young American enough $$ to do roofing; way too much physical work involved. You could pay them $40 - $50/hr and they still wouldn't show up after 2 or 3 days.
I just heard a news report about dairy farmers in Wisconsin. Many of them hire undocumented people because they can't get anyone else to do the job. be at work at 2am for milking, shovel manure etc. "Nowhere would mass deportation have a bigger impact than on Wisconsin’s dairy farms, where an estimated 70% of the workforce is made up of immigrants, mostly from Mexico and Central America. Because Congress has never created a year-round visa for low-skilled farm workers, almost all of Wisconsin’s immigrant dairy workers are undocumented. Without them, experts say, the whole industry would collapse."
 
My son works for a regional roofing company and sells commercial roofing, warehouses, commercial buildings, etc.

He told his boss that this may be an existential threat to their company. They sub out most of their jobs and its likely that the subs will run out of workers real soon.

And, BTW, you can't pay a young American enough $$ to do roofing; way too much physical work involved. You could pay them $40 - $50/hr and they still wouldn't show up after 2 or 3 days.
Both of my sons are commercial roofers. The youngest is a project manager for a large regional roofing company, makes good money and never gets his hands dirty anymore. The oldest is a service supervisor for a large local company. Still gets his hands dirty but not slinging a tar mop or torch anymore. They both started out at the bottom. You are correct about getting young people to do the hard work but they can't hire immigrants because the commercial roofing side is a lot more complicated than laying shingles and the language barrier is a major problem when it comes to instruction.
 
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I just heard a news report about dairy farmers in Wisconsin. Many of them hire undocumented people because they can't get anyone else to do the job. be at work at 2am for milking, shovel manure etc. "Nowhere would mass deportation have a bigger impact than on Wisconsin’s dairy farms, where an estimated 70% of the workforce is made up of immigrants, mostly from Mexico and Central America. Because Congress has never created a year-round visa for low-skilled farm workers, almost all of Wisconsin’s immigrant dairy workers are undocumented. Without them, experts say, the whole industry would collapse."
Everybody is panicking and being disingenuous about the impact of mass deportation. No way are we going to deport all 20M+. So between that and temporary worker visas things will be just fine. The real solution is a revamp of the work visa program. BTW temp ag workers can stay for up to 3 years with the proper petition from the employer
 
Both of my sons are commercial roofers. The youngest is a project manager for a large regional roofing company, makes good money and never gets his hands dirty anymore. The oldest is a service supervisor for a large local company. Still gets his hands dirty but not slinging a tar mop or torch anymore. They both started out at the bottom. You are correct about getting young people to do the hard work but they can't hire immigrants because the commercial roofing side is a lot more complicated than laying shingles and the language barrier is a major problem when it comes to instruction.
I have issue with my commercial roof. My roofer who did the roof 15 years ago kept saying the leaks are due to faulty HVAC system. Tenant supposedly repaired it but still some leaks.
I don't know why roofer seems reluctant to repair the leaks. And when I offer to pay to do something, he won't guarantee his work form leaks. He doesn't even say it's time to replace roof.
Should I be getting a second opinion?
 
I have issue with my commercial roof. My roofer who did the roof 15 years ago kept saying the leaks are due to faulty HVAC system. Tenant supposedly repaired it but still some leaks.
I don't know why roofer seems reluctant to repair the leaks. And when I offer to pay to do something, he won't guarantee his work form leaks. He doesn't even say it's time to replace roof.
Should I be getting a second opinion?
What kind of roof is it and how old. Leaks on flat roofs are difficult to find and fix. The water can penetrate the roof in one place and travel to a spot where it can leak through below and that spot could be 20' away from the actual leak
 
I just heard a news report about dairy farmers in Wisconsin. Many of them hire undocumented people because they can't get anyone else to do the job. be at work at 2am for milking, shovel manure etc. "Nowhere would mass deportation have a bigger impact than on Wisconsin’s dairy farms, where an estimated 70% of the workforce is made up of immigrants, mostly from Mexico and Central America. Because Congress has never created a year-round visa for low-skilled farm workers, almost all of Wisconsin’s immigrant dairy workers are undocumented. Without them, experts say, the whole industry would collapse."

Well now, here's a reality check. I know our groceries seem high priced, as we have been used to relatively inexpensive food and milk for decades. (Food is much more expensive in France, because the government makes sure farmers have a better shot at a living wage.) But having grown up on a farm in Iowa, I can tell you for sure that every single one of my cousins did not carry on farming when they grew up because they learned as kids how physically hard the work is on the farm. Shoveling manure, milking cows by hand or with the "modern" milking machine, carrying the water and feed, planting, cultivating, moving the livestock, working on the hay baler neatly stacking those heavy bales when it's just short of volcanic temperatures in the sun while taking in those salt tablets so they don't get dehydrated so they can still function a bit longer. It was a good life, and I have wonderful memories. But it was very hard work. Not 9-5 either. Cows had to be milked twice a day, eggs had to be gathered daily, weighed, candled to check for quality or blood in the egg or double-yolkers, then packed to sell in town. There was always a fence to be mended, or critter that was injured or being picked on. At harvest time there were more long dusty days. And heaven help you if a hail storm hits and puts holes in your metal roof. If you wanted a vacation, you better have born enough kids to take over the work for a week or two while you were away, cuz farming is a 24/7 business.

Why did all my cousins and their kids move off the farm? Because, simply, they could make more money with their brain than their brawn. If small farmers in the US were making decent profits, most would still be functioning rather than selling out to Big-AG. But farming is also an expensive business. Tractors, combines, rakes, balers... BIG $$$ (Hundreds of thousands of dollars) that small farmers can't pay, and on top of that, John Deere for example, had/still has a policy that you can't fix your own rig and have to take it to their expensive mechanics. (Hence, the farmer's 'right to repair' lawsuits) Years ago farmers learned how to be plumbers, electricians, carpenters, roofers, concrete pourers, fence-builders, furnace fixers, windmill and well operators, animal breeders and care-givers, pseudo-vets, orchard managers, gardeners, bakers and cooks, babysitters and launderesses because that's what they had to know how to do to run a functional farm. (If you hire a farmer, you'll get your money's worth, because they truly know how to work and get the job done!)

But, my friends, the pay was pitiful. One hailstorm in an afternoon could wipe out your year's profits. And dangerous?! My uncle's tractor auger nearly drilled a hole right through him as he was pinned against a wall, and cows have a good kick too, and buck sheep have pretty good aim. If we consumers had paid more for the food the farmers grew, there would be more small farms, even though the work is hard. It is a good life, an honest life, but it's challenging.
BTW, I still know how to milk a cow.
 
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A lot of new vehicles are sitting at the dealerships without any buyers. Etc
A dealer took 30 cars to the auction and sold just 1. No one is willing to pay for a car. The car I bought last April has lost about 8,000 in value since. And I bought it for less than the going price then, but now it's worth just $22k. Not that it matters -
 
ithout them, experts say, the whole industry would collapse."
they learned as kids how physically hard the work is on the farm. Shoveling manure, milking cows by hand or with the "modern" milking machine, carrying the water and feed, planting, cultivating, moving the livestock, working on the hay baler neatly stacking those heavy bales when it's just short of volcanic temperatures in the sun
Hard work generally isn't as much the issue as the simple lack of compensation. I mean no one needs to buck hay now. You can get a accumulator behind the baler, pick it up and stack on a wagon. You clean the bars with a skid-steer. The tractor is air-conditioned. A front-end loader is a godsend for handling round bales, feeding cattle, moving feeders, and a dozen other uses. But all those tools cost money and prices from 1980-2010 forced many to sell out.

When I started appraising there were probably 50 or more small dairies in my home county. There are exactly zero 30 years later. The EPA put a lot of them out. With automation, one man could milk up to 100 cows. But the EPA regulates dairies as CAFOs if they have 50 or more cows, so they were limited to 49...even if they had 400 acres to run them on. All the dairies are now 900 or more head, milk around the clock seven days a week, and have a veterinarian on duty every day.

Land is insanely high. My neighbors each sold 80 acres that were once my two uncle's dairies. They sold for nearly $15,000 per acre and will be eventually be cut up into cookie cutter ranchettes or worse. Bought by developers. Not even rural water sufficient for development. Miles from town. If you needed a 10% return on the investment, there isn't a cow in the world capable of producing $1,500 worth of milk in a year net... nor even gross.

Until we are smart enough to tax developers about 500% on their purchases and force them to build UP and not OUT, food eventually gets too expensive to pursue farming. then who feeds us?
 
Developed countries have more and more of rural people moving to urban areas where income is higher.
I noticed most of my small business are immigrant owned. They are getting old and their children don't want to take over family business.
Immigrants are hard workers and are the ones who can make it in heavily regulated small business environment.
 
I have issue with my commercial roof. My roofer who did the roof 15 years ago kept saying the leaks are due to faulty HVAC system. Tenant supposedly repaired it but still some leaks.
I don't know why roofer seems reluctant to repair the leaks. And when I offer to pay to do something, he won't guarantee his work form leaks. He doesn't even say it's time to replace roof.
Should I be getting a second opinion?
Jeezus, Fernando. Get it together, drop the fantasy roof bs and get a life.
 
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