Deepseek

[Fernando]

My wife is a gambler, so I have a different take on things ....

She rather gamble than "waste" money on your new fad technology.
She has better chance in getting higher return.

 

[Elliott]

Perplexity: "Which AI generator was stolen from to create the new Deepseek AI answers?"

Answer:
"DeepSeek’s AI models, particularly its latest R1 model, have come under scrutiny for potentially being developed using OpenAI’s data or techniques. OpenAI has raised suspicions that DeepSeek may have employed “distillation,” a method where smaller models are trained using outputs from larger ones, to extract knowledge from OpenAI’s ChatGPT models. This would violate OpenAI’s terms of service if true, though no definitive evidence has been presented yet.
Observers have also noted the irony in these allegations, as OpenAI itself has faced criticism for training its models on copyrighted material from across the internet. DeepSeek, meanwhile, claims its models were developed independently and at a fraction of the cost of Western counterparts, leveraging open-source principles and innovative resource utilization."

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It is the Chicom Way, "Copy and steal."

 

[Bobby Bucks]

Jensen Huang is meeting with Trump at the White House today, I wonder if the subject of Deepseek will be broached?

 

[J Grant]

Perplexity: "Which AI generator was stolen from to create the new Deepseek AI answers?"

Answer:
"DeepSeek’s AI models, particularly its latest R1 model, have come under scrutiny for potentially being developed using OpenAI’s data or techniques. OpenAI has raised suspicions that DeepSeek may have employed “distillation,” a method where smaller models are trained using outputs from larger ones, to extract knowledge from OpenAI’s ChatGPT models. This would violate OpenAI’s terms of service if true, though no definitive evidence has been presented yet.
Observers have also noted the irony in these allegations, as OpenAI itself has faced criticism for training its models on copyrighted material from across the internet. DeepSeek, meanwhile, claims its models were developed independently and at a fraction of the cost of Western counterparts, leveraging open-source principles and innovative resource utilization."

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It is the Chicom Way, "Copy and steal."

I read that Open AI made it open knowing this could happen - on the up side, DeepSeek in return also is open AI, and American tech can copy or adapt its cheaper to produce chips/methods- if we are able to.

 

[Dublin ohio]

Perplexity: "Which AI generator was stolen from to create the new Deepseek AI answers?"

Answer:
"DeepSeek’s AI models, particularly its latest R1 model, have come under scrutiny for potentially being developed using OpenAI’s data or techniques. OpenAI has raised suspicions that DeepSeek may have employed “distillation,” a method where smaller models are trained using outputs from larger ones, to extract knowledge from OpenAI’s ChatGPT models. This would violate OpenAI’s terms of service if true, though no definitive evidence has been presented yet.
Observers have also noted the irony in these allegations, as OpenAI itself has faced criticism for training its models on copyrighted material from across the internet. DeepSeek, meanwhile, claims its models were developed independently and at a fraction of the cost of Western counterparts, leveraging open-source principles and innovative resource utilization."

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It is the Chicom Way, "Copy and steal."

I saw an interview with I think was David Sacks. He said there were reports that DeepseekV3v when asked who it was answered ChatGPT

 

[Fernando]

https://www.dailycal.org/news/campu...cle_a1cc5cd0-dee4-11ef-b8ca-171526dfb895.html

Campus researchers replicate disruptive Chinese AI for $30​

UC Berkeley researchers have developed a small-scale language model reproduction of DeepSeek R1-Zero, an AI language model developed in China, for about $30.

The language model TinyZero is a project led by campus graduate researcher Jiayi Pan and three other researchers, advised by campus professor Professor Alane Suhr and University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign assistant professor Hao Peng.

DeepSeek’s R1 model weights and code repositories are held under a public MIT license — as such, Pan and his team were able to access the base code to train a significantly smaller model.

Pan said TinyZero is similarly open sourced, meaning the code is accessible for the public. The open source nature of TinyZero allows people to download the code and experiment with training and modifying the model, he said.

“Small-scale reproduction is very accessible and very cheap even for people as a side project to experiment with,” Pan said. “Our goal from the beginning of the project is basically to demystify how to train these models and better understand the science and design decisions behind them.”

TinyZero is a small-scale reproduction, with the $30 price going toward server costs to run the experiments. TinyZero is “only useful for very restricted types of tasks” such as countdown and multiplication tasks, he said.

 

[Mike Ault]

 

[Digger88]

it glitched in real time before I could screencap this. When I asked what about Taiwan it said, "you're right, Taiwan uses all the letters and is a country in southeast Asia."

then my pc started to smoke lol and it corrected itself.

 

[gregb]

Try Formosa

 

[cpursley]

"Microsoft and OpenAI are probing whether a group linked to the Chinese AI startup DeepSeek accessed OpenAI's data using the company's application programming interface without authorization, reports Bloomberg, citing its sources familiar with the matter. A Financial Times source at OpenAI said that the company had evidence of data theft by the group. Meanwhile, U.S. officials suspect DeepSeek trained its model using OpenAI's outputs, a method known as distillation.

Microsoft's security team observed a group believed to have ties to DeepSeek extracting a large volume of data from OpenAI's API. The API allows developers to integrate OpenAI's proprietary models into their applications for a fee and retrieve some data. However, the excessive data retrieval noticed by Microsoft researchers violates OpenAI's terms and conditions and signals an attempt to bypass OpenAI's restrictions."

https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-i...deepseek-illicitly-obtained-data-from-chatgpt

And wait until you learn how "Open" AI trained...