Economic Impact Of Hurricanes

[Pittsburgh Pete]

“Hurricanes get their energy from warm ocean waters, and the oceans are warming because of the human-caused buildup of heat-trapping gases in the atmosphere.”--you posted earlier. You are running in circles.

 

[Randolph Kinney]

“Hurricanes get their energy from warm ocean waters, and the oceans are warming because of the human-caused buildup of heat-trapping gases in the atmosphere.”--you posted earlier. You are running in circles.

Yeah, you did not understand what that statement said. You said that does not cause a hurricane. You said it contributed to hurricane intensity. So how much of the human caused heat trapping gases contributed to the hurricane intensity? 2%, 5%, 10%? Anything measurable?

 

[Pittsburgh Pete]

the consensus is that it was impacted by climate change. The fact that the exact impact cannot be quantified does not change the underlying facts. If you want to hang your denial on the fact that a specific impact cannot be quantified, so be it.

 

[Randolph Kinney]

the consensus is that it was impacted by climate change. The fact that the exact impact cannot be quantified does not change the underlying facts. If you want to hang your denial on the fact that a specific impact cannot be quantified, so be it.

The fact is the world has been warming since the last ice age and hurricanes have been around since that time. The fact is the natural flow of heat is from hot to cold. The fact is storms redistribute heat from the equator to the poles.

Now then, since consensus has no way to prove or show the human contribution to storms (forming or intensity), all they can say is that they believe (without proof) storms are influenced by human emissions.

That sums it up: No proof, and no model that predicts cause and effect. Using words like contribute sounds scientific but it has no meaning to reality.

 

[Pittsburgh Pete]

the cause and effect is known. Quantification of it is the unknown. Stick with your denial and misinterpretation of the science. It's fairly humorous watching you dance the denial shuffle!

 

[Randolph Kinney]

the cause and effect is known. Quantification of it is the unknown

You don't understand cause and effect.




That phrase means the principle of causation. You and Dr Mann say that human emissions do not cause storms (hurricanes). Then you say the cause and effect is known but not quantification. To say there is a causation means quantification. Check it out Pete, it is called science.

 

[Pittsburgh Pete]

They cannot pinpoint the exact quantification to the satisfaction of you and your tiny community of deniers. Doesn't mean there is no impact. The scientific community has stated that there is a correlation--it's called the English language. I realize you have trouble with it.

Keep shufflin'!

 

[Randolph Kinney]

They cannot pinpoint the exact quantification to the satisfaction of you and your tiny community of deniers. Doesn't mean there is no impact. The scientific community has stated that there is a correlation--it's called the English language. I realize you have trouble with it.

Pete, you have no idea what you are talking about. Correlation?

What is Correlation?
Correlation is used to test relationships between quantitative variables or categorical variables. In other words, it’s a measure of how things are related. The study of how variables are correlated is called correlation analysis.

Correlation does not imply causation. In statistics, many statistical tests calculate correlations between variables and when two variables are found to be correlated, it is tempting to assume that this shows that one variable causes the other.

So you will note, Pete, in mathematics, when you say correlation, that does not mean causation. But it does mean a statistical quantification. So what is the correlation coefficient of human heat trapping emissions and storm intensity or global temperature temperature?

 

[Pittsburgh Pete]

Dance your dance! You are still ignoring the reality.

 

[Randolph Kinney]

Dance your dance! You are still ignoring the reality.

Your reality cannot be correlated with science or mathematics. Your reality is make-believe. Trust me, the world is getting warmer. What is causing it? You can't show a quantifiable cause and effect relationship with human emissions, not even a statistical association among variables with human emissions, therefore you have nothing, not even an informed opinion.

But it is fun to see you convince yourself that you know what you are talking about.