Elon appreciation thread

[George Hatch]

I would add to that the failures at the family level.

Throughout most of asia parents support the ideals of education and the students' obligations to their teachers and the school facilities themselves. just getting into some of those K-12s involves a certain amount of competition, and the schools are not putting up with a lot of misconduct or slacking.

I read somewhere that the average 6-12 teacher is spending 70% of their time and effort just establishing and maintaining order in their classroom. There's no justification for that. Divert the troublemakers to hoodlum school and cut them loose as soon as they pass their GED. They're not going to college anyway.

 

[Charles West]

I'd say the low expectations of government run schools are the result of living in a plutocracy, not the cause.

Two things would have to be true for that to exist. One would be that the ruling class somehow benefits long-term from a relatively high level of uneducated citizens, and a deliberate policy of not educating their charges prevails. Since I can't support that theory with data, I prefer the incompetent economic policy theory, whereas low-information politicians make decisions that harm the nation and the communities they serve. Schools in inner cities go through the motions because it is easier than trying to educate children from dysfunctional families that have been destroyed by incompetent leadership, not by the likes of Elon Musk and his ilk.

 

[George Hatch]

You can't cheat an honest man and you can't force a family to support the function of education. If a kid isn't going to school and doing the work and conducting themselves as a citizen instead of a drag on society then that is what limits their education.

 

[Charles West]

An example of incompetent, low-information economic policy is Biden and Kamala's proposed policy of taxing unrealized capital gains. I can't think of a more destructive policy to the communities of this nation than that one. It sounds good to the low-information crowd with class envy dysfunction because they don't have a concept of the havoc such a policy would, by definition, wrought.

 

[Charles West]

You can't cheat an honest man and you can't force a family to support the function of education. If a kid isn't going to school and doing the work and conducting themselves as a citizen instead of a drag on society then that is what limits their education.

Nobody goes uneducated by choice, and I could cheat honest men all day if I had a sociopathic personality.

 

[alebrewer]

Two things would have to be true for that to exist. One would be that the ruling class somehow benefits long-term from a relatively high level of uneducated citizens, and a deliberate policy of not educating their charges prevails. Since I can't support that theory with data, I prefer the incompetent economic policy theory, whereas low-information politicians make decisions that harm the nation and the communities they serve. Schools in inner cities go through the motions because it is easier than trying to educate children from dysfunctional families that have been destroyed by incompetent leadership, not by the likes of Elon Musk and his ilk.

From my perspective, it seems that having a public education system is a convenient place to park those kids that can't afford private school. I don't think it's as much about desiring uneducated citizens as it is about ensuring the system continues to remain broken - but just broken enough so as not to invoke a revolution. In addition, so long as the education system is public, the institutionalization of the children can be managed by the plutocrats. Both parties are to blame - there is absolutely no defense in asserting otherwise. Inner city failures are not correlated to one or the other party.

 

[Charles West]

From my perspective, it seems that having a public education system is a convenient place to park those kids that can't afford private school. I don't think it's as much about desiring uneducated citizens as it is about ensuring the system continues to remain broken - but just broken enough so as not to invoke a revolution. In addition, so long as the education system is public, the institutionalization of the children can be managed by the plutocrats. Both parties are to blame - there is absolutely no defense in asserting otherwise. Inner city failures are not correlated to one or the other party.

Inner cities and poor educational outcomes are largely correlated with Democrats and their political control; Republicans support educational freedom, i.e., charter schools, something Democrats do not support.

 

[George Hatch]

If there is no support within the family unit for education in general or for student conduct at the schools then that's a fundamental problem which cannot be mitigated by throwing unlimited amounts of money at the schools. We're fighting culture here, not resources. And these attitudes are not just limited to the poor. Even the private schools struggle with a certain percentage of parents supporting the misconduct of their kids at the expense of everyone else. The advantage the private schools have over the public schools is that they can and will kick their troublemakers out. They can be (gasp) judgmental and they can (convulse) leave the troublemakers behind.

 

[alebrewer]

Inner cities and poor educational outcomes are largely correlated with Democrats and their political control; Republicans support educational freedom, i.e., charter schools, something Democrats do not support.

How would you reconcile your assumption based on the charts below? From what I can tell, we had a decent increase in math under Reagan, but a corresponding downturn in reading under Reagan. Then a pretty good bump in math and reading under Clinton. Otherwise, I see no correlation that could be tied to which party was in the WH. I get your desire to blame the failure on Dems - and on the surface, it sounds reasonable - as pretty much anything government runs gets mucked up. The stats just don't hold up to that kind of hypothesis, though.

 

[George Hatch]

The 2020-2022 time frame was when the lockdowns occurred.