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FAIR Fee Apprasiers Involved in Regulation

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Tom Hildebrandt

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As discussed in the thread the case of the clueless board, an organization named FAIR is in its infancy.

The primary purpose of the organization is to represent appraisers in our emerging regulatory environment. The focus of the organization will be on keeping the regulatory agencies in check.

This focus is concieved of having two essential components. The first will be to take what ever action the members deem appropriate to recity the actions of "rogue boards" such as Illinois and North Carolina who wish to impose their own personal standards of appraisal practice on the appraiser's in their states without any regard for the ethical requirements of USPAP as promulgated by the ASB.

The secondary focus of the group will be to assist appraisers who believe they have been unjustly accused in evaluating the cases against them. In those cases where the membership agrees that a particular case has no merits, the organization will work in support of the appraiser member. In the case of those members who request a review, and the work product is found to be lacking, the review of FAIR will be kept confidential. The appraiser will ahve to face the piper on his own.

The intent of this organization is not to provide education or push designations. In short, it is not intended to be in any way a competitor with other professional organizations. Any trainee, licensee or certified appraiser may join. Each member paying dues will have one vote.

This idea has been discussed by many members of this forum over the past six months and will be initially co-chaired by Steve Vertin and myself. Since this was Steve Vertins's idea initially, he has graciously agreed to be the focal point of the organization during the intial organizational phase. I will donate my time over the next nine months (outside of my trip to Australia this next month) to help Steve in getting this endevour rolling.

We intend for the organization to ultimately have 8-12 board members, with an elected chairperson; each board member will be selected from membership based on regional dispursion through out the country. During the first six months to one year, after the initial organizational issues and policy structures are in place, elections for chairmen and board members will be held.

Naturally, not all of the details have been worked out. We would hope that in three months or so the basic structure with by laws to be in place and that this will provide ample time for the appraisers throughout the country to express there opinions, by either joining or not, whether they wish to stand up and be counted.

Those who wish to help in the start up, please contact Steve Vertin or myself. We are looking for ideas and suggestions, but wish to keep the number of "decision makers" to a small number until we see how many individuals are willing to be members and what the consensus of this group might be.

To this end, I am requesting that those who have so generously offered to send money to my defense fund, make their checks payable to Steve Vertin who will place these funds in a trust account as seed money for this organization.

Those appraiser who wish to have a voice in our regulatory environment and become members of this orgaization should send also send a check to Steve for $25.00. This will also be used for seed money to explore the most appropriate way to legally establish the organization. We would envision that those who make contributions during this first period of time would be identified as founding members.

Please understand, Steve and I are willing to work in your behalf, but can make no promises. We expect some expenses and some may be quite heavy if the idea takes off. And if we do not get sufficient appraisers to join, there will be no way we can provide the services we would hope to provide. This initiative will have to occur based on trust until we get the appropriate safeguards in place.

At any rate, let me know what you think of the idea. I would suggest that you hold off on writing checks for a couple of days until Steve gets the administrative details worked out.

Best regards

Tom Hildebrandt GAA
 

Judy Whitehead (Florida)

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You all can count me in. I guess the only question I have, is could this organization become a sub-organization of an existing organization. I don't get to read all of the posts these days because I've been so busy, plus vacation, out-of-town company, etc. but it seems to me that one of the problems the appraisal industry has always had is that our numbers are small and our membership in organizations is very "factured" or spread so thin that it seems to do no good with credible representation.

Could everyone actually agree on a "National" organization to belong to that has the credibility of the BAR association, NAR, AMA, etc. I also have a real estate license and used to belong to the Association of Realtors, which has some clout. I have yet to decide if it is the correct organization for me as an appraiser. What say everybody?
 

Tom Hildebrandt

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Judy

I, and others, share your frustration. We are fragmented.

If we could get the organizations to join ranks without wanting to have their own agendas be the only points of view, it would be wonderful.

But many of the posters here have objections to the exisiting trade organizations. I personally think that many of the objections and perceptions are overstated, but it is a hot topic and I am convinced that there will not be a consensus.

What we wish to do with this organization is keep the focus away from the other professional issues, just focus on the appraiser and the regulatory agencies.

We want to provide two specific services. The first is a voice for the rank and file real estate appraiser, not the just the high end commercial guys, not have the voice tied to other real estate interests or personal property or business valuation or to other entities such as related professions or trade groups as in a union. I am not saying that any of the groups I refer to are bad or wrong, they just have a different perspective.

The second is that we wanted a means to allow the individual appraiser who is being unjustly accused to have the funds and knowledge to take on the regulatory body. Right now, many appraisers just cave in and agree to anything the investigators say is wrong, not because they believe the work is wrong but because they can not afford the time and effort to fight the agency.

Thanks for your input.

Regards

Tom Hildebrandt GAA
 

Neil (Texas)

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If the purpose of the FAIR is narrowly focused as outlined in Tom's post, I feel it should be an independent body composed of and governed only by appraisers. Associating it with another organization may have some advantages (shared costs, etc.), however, it would also dilute FAIR's focus with an broader and burdensome political agenda.

Something needs to be done and who better than ourselves. I for one am willing to join the fray and will send Steve a check. Should checks be made out to FAIR or to Steve V.? and where do we send it?
 

Neil (Texas)

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If the purpose of the FAIR is narrowly focused as outlined in Tom's post, I feel it should be an independent body composed of and governed only by appraisers. Associating it with another organization may have some advantages (shared costs, etc.), however, it would also dilute FAIR's focus with an broader and burdensome political agenda.

Something needs to be done and who better than ourselves. I for one am willing to join the fray and will send Steve a check. Should checks be made out to FAIR or to Steve V.? and where do we send it?
 

Rick Hess

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This new group sounds like a "Fair" organization. Sorry about the lousy pun. :oops: Tom and Steve. This sounds like it might be a good candidate for 501©3 status (non-profit). Either way, sounds like a good thing to get in on, count me in too.

Brick
 

Stephen J. Vertin MAI

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Please do not make checks out to me personally. I have an appointment with my banker tomorrow at 1:00. She says we can open an account under F.A.I.R. which would be considered a non-profit organization. I explained that we would be a new organization who would be not-for-profit. I will donate the first $100.00. In order to open said account I need the minutes from our first meeting. You do not have to be a member or seek membership to comment at this meeting. However, beware these comments will be going to our bank so try to keep your language clean.

I will consider this our first public meeting and all comment from the public and future members will be part of the record. I call the first meeting of F.A.I.R (Fee Appraisers Involved in Regulations) on April 22, 2002 with all members accounted for (which so far is Tom and me).

First I would like to say, I do not seek long term leadership in this organization. However, I am willing to help get it up and running. I never wanted to be part of the public eye and I am not really a political person. But if I can help one honest appraiser out there from going through what Tom and I have, it will be well worth the effort.

The long term intent of this organization is not only to support appraisers involved in board battles. It is to assure our Government is doing the right thing. To keep them honest. To make them accountable. If we grow, our mission will not only be targeting bad boards but it will also target boards who do nothing. We feel these type Governmental bodies are just as bad as ones who advocate.

However, our first order of business is to help, financially, morally and spiritually, all appraisers who are or will be persecuted by Government under harsh and unfair conditions. I have decided that none of F.A.I.R's money will be used to personally defend me. I do not want opponents claiming I started this with personal gain in mind. I insist that this be my prerequisite in taking the position of temporary leader.

I had an original concept of having a website where members could go to look at cases that needed attention after they had been reviewed by staff (this would weed out serious wrong doers). There would be a synopsis of facts and members would vote on merits. Sort of like Wayne old polls. Thereafter, based on votes and funds, we would put resource in accordingly. That way members would know where and how resources were allocated and to which cases. All cases would be totally anonymous. No names or locations would be revealed. This would assure supporters they were not getting Fast Eddy out of binds and keep the process above board.

At this point I open the floor to comments.


Steve Vertin
 
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I had an original concept of having a website where members could go to look at cases that needed attention after they had been reviewed by staff (this would weed out serious wrong doers). There would be a synopsis of facts and members would vote on merits. Sort of like Wayne old polls.
I would think that having Wayne set it up through this forum would work really well for us. Separate but connected.
 

Tom Hildebrandt

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Steve

Nice post.

As we discussed earlier, I have recruited an additional board member. I have recieved confirmation from George Hatch that he is willing to serve as an interim board member. So, let the record show that you are Chairman, and that George and I are board members.

Any individuals who wish to serve in any capacity should discuss the matter privately, e-mail or otherwise with the Chairman. The Chairman will submit his recommendations regarding appointments to the board for consideration and approval.

Steve, will you enter into the record what your address is for any correspondence?

Thanks for your efforts.

Tom Hildebrandt GAA
 
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