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Fannie & Freddie To Update Appraisal Dataset & Forms

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It's just common sense. A person that spends 8 hours collecting and analyzing is going to perform better than someone that spends 4 hours. A person that spends 2 hours is going to perform better than someone that spends 1 hour. Unless the person that spends more time is a idiot or the person that spends less time is a genious which they are not if they do it for half the money.
 
Who needs to dilute supply when they can just write the rules to multiply supply.

From a practical perspective you're right - lenders deciding they can get by with less they are effectively reducing the level of *demand* (not really multiplying supply).

But regardless of how the users exercise their prerogatives (which by definition is beyond our control) we can always choose to either do better or worse for ourselves. We can't choose what they do but we can choose what we do.
 
And say what? That the lenders shouldn't be allowed to use these because it will cut into our money? That isn't what The Appraisal Foundation is for.

What we should be working on is getting appraisers to come to an understanding that they need to charge a much higher hourly rate for the hardest part of the appraisal process. And stop bringing in trainees to dilute our own position in the market. Unlike user decisions, appraiser conduct is something we CAN influence from our end.

For such an experienced and intelligent person/appraiser, I am shocked at how short-sighted and off-base this post is George. It's such a ridiculous post, that it sort of discredits all the really smart things I have read from you. Are these really your conclusions?

Right now, FNMA cant even ask for consult from appraisers, because the organizations that do exist, are either not the right type of organization, or (and this is truly the problem) there is not enough participation in membership from appraisers. TAF is in bed with the government and is influenced by lender lobbyists. The AI is more about education and has a membership structure that is not appealing to the masses. The AGA is probably the organization that is the most known and in line with the type of trade organization that could have the right kind of voice, but appraisers, apparently including you, simply make excuses to not join up, and so they don't have the numbers to be heard. Compare all of those to the NAR.

I have not once heard the NAR speak of fees. Yet, through all the other things they do, the careers of their members, and subsequently their bottom lines too, are affected in a good way. By establishing a professional standard, that the critical mass of realtors gets behind, they are able to defeat any and all nonsense that comes their way, with ease. That creates an easy environment to work within, which reduces stress and increases efficiency, influencing a persons ability to focus on making money.

Lets take a simple example. How about the 1004MC? Sure, FNMA consulted a handful appraisers when they developed it. If they had consulted the majority of appraisers, do you suppose it would look like it does? How much time has been wasted filling out that ridiculous form? How much time has been wasted complaining about it on this very forum? That's what I'm talking about. When you do something right from the start, you don't waste time rethinking it later, and time is money. We don't need to fight for fees, we need to fight for the process - the fees will work themselves out all by themselves.

Seriously, think it over. Isn't it just a bit unprofessional, that appraisers do not in fact have a trade organization that we all get behind and support? I think it makes us look like doofuses. And when appraisers run around and say they don't even want to try to have one, well, that's one measure worse.

Out of all the reasons I am changing careers, this last point ended up being the deciding factor. When it comes to the issue of organization, appraisers are stupid. They have no idea what's good for them, but they damn sure know how to complain when things don't go their way. I figure if my peers won't even try to help ourselves, why would I spin my wheels along side them. LOL. I need new friends.

It is interesting to note the only likes you got on your post were from Danny and Tim. Maybe some appraisers are beginning to open their eyes and stop listening to people who do not have their best interests in mind. Maybe they are beginning to realize what they've been doing so far is going nowhere, and maybe it's time to work a different angle. I dunno. I aint gonna wait for y'all to finally get a clue, but I will at least have said my piece.
 
... TAF... ...AI.... ....AGA.... Compare all of those to the NAR.

you could add up all the people from TAF, all the members of AI and of the AGA, and probably double them, and still not even come close to the number of members of the NAR. you may as well be comparing the various appraisal organizations to the state of CA population. if you are going to attempt to make a comparison at least make it somewhat fair and believable.

I have not once heard the NAR speak of fees. Yet, through all the other things they do, the careers of their members, and subsequently their bottom lines too, are affected in a good way. By establishing a professional standard, that the critical mass of realtors gets behind, they are able to defeat any and all nonsense that comes their way, with ease. That creates an easy environment to work within, which reduces stress and increases efficiency, influencing a persons ability to focus on making money.

they don't talk about fees because they don't have to. they are a percentage of the sale price, and historically housing prices are on an upward trajectory (despite some setbacks every couple of decades). why push for more fees and possibly offend sellers when the amount goes up naturally without doing a thing?

Lets take a simple example. How about the 1004MC? Sure, FNMA consulted a handful appraisers when they developed it. If they had consulted the majority of appraisers, do you suppose it would look like it does?

no, it would not look like it does now. in fact it may still be under development. you have read more than your fair share of threads on this board. even with the small sampling of appraisers we have here there is always a conflict of opinion on practically every topic posted. i can't even begin to imagine what a cluster it would have been attempting to ask the majority of appraisers to come together to design a single page form.

How much time has been wasted filling out that ridiculous form?

on average probably less than 3 minutes as the majority of appraisers let other sites do it for them like MLS or datamaster, and the do it incorrectly. the form asks for all sales in a neighborhood, not just those that were listed on the local MLS.

Seriously, think it over. Isn't it just a bit unprofessional, that appraisers do not in fact have a trade organization that we all get behind and support? I think it makes us look like doofuses. And when appraisers run around and say they don't even want to try to have one, well, that's one measure worse.

i agree. there are some on here who do nothing more than post nonsense, conspiracy theories and put down any mention of joining an organization (yes i am speaking of you djd). people like that do make our profession look like fools, and they do it on a daily basis. with people doing whatever they can to discredit professional organizations that they know nothing about and have never participated in we will never be united.

Out of all the reasons I am changing careers, this last point ended up being the deciding factor. When it comes to the issue of organization, appraisers are stupid. They have no idea what's good for them, but they damn sure know how to complain when things don't go their way.

i could not agree more.
 
Who needs to dilute supply when they can just write the rules to multiply supply.

George thinks you are talking about the lenders, when I would presume you are talking about TAF/AQB. Cutting the experience hours in half is a clear sign who the AQB answers to. Then again, I suppose that does mean the lenders are doing the talking doesn't it?
 
on average probably less than 3 minutes as the majority of appraisers let other sites do it for them like MLS or datamaster, and the do it incorrectly. the form asks for all sales in a neighborhood, not just those that were listed on the local MLS.

Question....
Besides MLS what other sales/listing data sources do you use to get "all sales in a neighborhood"?
FSBO websites....
Craig's list......
Zillow/Trulia/etc....
Registry of deeds....
Assessor.....

If your neighborhood boundaries include zzz number of streets do you search registry of deeds street by street searching for sales????
Do you walk the neighborhood knocking on doors asking if they resident listed their home (FSBO) within the past 12 months???

At what point do you believe you have researched and FOUND ALL of the sales/listings within a neighborhood???
 
Do you walk the neighborhood knocking on doors asking if they resident listed their home (FSBO) within the past 12 months???

How many languages do you speak? :leeann2:

In my areas what's in MLS is close enough to all the sales and listings.
 
How many languages do you speak? :leeann2:

In my areas what's in MLS is close enough to all the sales and listings.

In the real world, in the fantasy world, in the new world, in the old world, in everyone's world (except 1 person's world) MLS data is the standard.....
 
How many languages do you speak? :leeann2:

In my areas what's in MLS is close enough to all the sales and listings.

Found a comparable sale in Ojai yesterday that was not in either of the MLS's that cover this area. Realist has a tab to search for comparables, this one apparently was a fsbo a block from the subject, very similar in GLA and year built. Plan to scope it out tomorrow morning.
 
George thinks you are talking about the lenders, when I would presume you are talking about TAF/AQB. Cutting the experience hours in half is a clear sign who the AQB answers to. Then again, I suppose that does mean the lenders are doing the talking doesn't it?

I am talking about it all. Reduce qualifying standards. Separate inspection and appraisal and let non appraisers inspect the property. Those non appraisers are new supply in appraisal process.
 
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