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California budget surplus doomed by demographics

New data frames the changes coming:

• Recent reports from the U.S. Census Bureau and the California Department of Finance agree that California's historically high population growth has dropped to under 1 percent a year, a third of what it was in the 1980s.

• The slowdown stems from a virtual halt to foreign migration, a net outflow to other states and a rapidly decreasing birthrate – factors which, if continued, could see California's population start to decline in a few years.

• A new study by the Lucile Packard Foundation for Children's Health says that due to the declining migration and birthrates, the number of California children under 10 years old dropped by nearly 200,000 between 2000 and 2010 and is expected to decline by another 100,000 during the current decade. These trends are not yet widely recognized, but they should be a wake-up call for policymakers. California will be increasingly dependent economically and socially on a smaller number of children. They are more important to the California's future success than ever before.

• Latinos now constitute more than half of California's children, and both the Packard Foundation and the Center for the Next Generation, in another new report, raise the specter of increasing child poverty. In fact, a recent Census Bureau study, measuring poverty by a new method, says California has the nation's highest rate. California can't honestly separate its economic future from current poverty rates among its children.

• California's white population is declining (it will drop below 40 percent this year) and aging rapidly as the baby-boom generation moves from middle age (the youngest boomers are nearly 50) into retirement (the oldest will turn 67 this year).

• These California trends emulate states in the Northeast and upper Midwest, such as New York and Michigan, more than they do those in the South and Southwest. While California's under-10 population was declining by nearly 200,000 between 2000 and 2010, for instance, Texas was adding nearly 600,000.

California is an aging society, suffering from white-flight, stagnant population growth with growing economic inequality.
 
New Social Security Retirees Will Outlive Trust Fund

http://news.investors.com/011413-64...-outlive-official-trust-fund.aspx?src=HPLNews

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The hastening of the Social Security Trust Fund's demise to 2033 means that workers just becoming eligible for Social Security at age 62 face steep future benefit cuts if they live to the average life expectancy, now about 84.

Up until now, the very existence of the $2.7 trillion trust fund — $1.1 trillion in net cash surpluses since 1983 and $1.6 trillion in accrued interest — has made Social Security seemingly untouchable.

While the trust fund's nonmarketable Treasuries — really IOUs from one branch of government to another — have no value to offset the cost of benefits, they provide Social Security the legal authority to run cash deficits until they're spent.

Yet the argument that benefit cuts would break a near-sacred contract is no longer valid now that full benefits are no longer prepaid. Benefit cuts are built into current law and, in effect, written into the contract with workers.

Under current law, a worker who just turned 62 would face a 25% benefit cut once the trust is spent in early 2033. If that worker claims benefits at 62 and lives to the average expectancy of 84, she would face the equivalent of a 1% cut in lifetime retirement benefits.

Workers now 61 would, on average, lose the equivalent of a half year in benefits and face a 2% cut in lifetime benefits.

Workers now 55 would, on average, lose two full years' worth of benefits, the equivalent of a 9.2% cut in lifetime benefits.

The future looks very bleak for retirement for those who will depend on Social Security.
 
401(k) breaches undermining retirement security for millions

http://www.washingtonpost.com/busin...e70-11e2-8acb-ab5cb77e95c8_story.html?hpid=z1

A large and growing share of American workers are tapping their retirement savings accounts for non-retirement needs, raising broad questions about the effectiveness of one of the most important savings vehicles for old age.

More than one in four American workers with 401(k) and other retirement savings accounts use them to pay current expenses, new data show. The withdrawals, cash-outs and loans drain nearly a quarter of the $293 billion that workers and employers deposit into the accounts each year, undermining already shaky retirement security for millions of Americans.

With federal policymakers eyeing cuts to Social Security benefits and Medicare to rein in soaring federal deficits, and traditional pensions in a long decline, retirement savings experts say the drain from the accounts has dire implications for future retirees.
 
California is an aging society, suffering from white-flight, stagnant population growth with growing economic inequality.
You can't say that Randolph...that's that's agist and racist...and and true. You know it's always the fault of "old white guys". I thought everything would get better in the "multicultural" world where "diversity" trumps hard work or education and illegal aliens bring only truth and justice with them, not drugs and gangs....
 
You can't say that Randolph...that's that's agist and racist...and and true. You know it's always the fault of "old white guys". I thought everything would get better in the "multicultural" world where "diversity" trumps hard work or education and illegal aliens bring only truth and justice with them, not drugs and gangs....

Here's the reality of California:

The population is not producing the wealth that it once did. Jobs are not as plentiful for the skilled and educated.

California is an advanced look at the U.S. as a whole - its future.

Those who had high paying jobs and are near retirement are receiving another shock, besides losing a high paying job; no retirement and medical costs that will bankrupt them.

Just remember the slogan of "tax the rich". Strange how everyone gets to pay for taxing the rich. :rof:
 
Here's the reality of California:

The population is not producing the wealth that it once did. Jobs are not as plentiful for the skilled and educated.

California is an advanced look at the U.S. as a whole - its future.

Those who had high paying jobs and are near retirement are receiving another shock, besides losing a high paying job; no retirement and medical costs that will bankrupt them.

Just remember the slogan of "tax the rich". Strange how everyone gets to pay for taxing the rich. :rof:

You live in a beautiful state. My sister has recently moved there (SLO) with a great paying job and we are considering retiring there as well. The temps are marvelous and the views are even better. If those who had high paying jobs and are near retirement have not saved for that retirement, then that is a shame. Yes SS may not be their answer and medical costs will be going up for all of us.

I just can't understand why you are so down on CA. I loved it. Took the Pacific Oceanliner up the the coast. You are very very lucky.
 
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My mother's cousins moved to CA ... Grapes of Wrath. Their father-dying of cancer- walked, hitchhiked and rode the brake lines to get to Long Beach from Arkansas to take a job. In a few months, he sent for them. The teenagers took jobs in the fruit and nut orchards. They lived together literally in a barn. They worked hard. They saved. Their property grew in value. But from knowing everyone and trusting everyone, they moved into less dangerous neighborhoods.

They still had to pay the city to park a camper in the back yard. They had to have a high chain link fence to park it in to keep vandals out. They had bars on every door and window. Alarm systems...and if they hadn't saved their SSI would not cover their taxes and insurance. So what did they do? Part of them moved to Las Vegas. Most of the rest to W SunCity AZ and one ended up in Branson MO. Far cheaper places to live.

NM - It's easy to say I saved, why didn't you? But there are a lot of folks who were wiped out so to speak when inflation robbed them of a significant portion of their savings in the 70s. Others lost a bundle when scumbag investment counselors put them into internet stocks in the late 1990s then into bank stocks in the mid-2005s. I know folks who have LESS money in their IRA than they did in 1999 and have put in money every year. I personally have a Mutual fund that has returned -2% in the past 5 years and +0.4% in 10 years-before you include fees... great mix of stocks they pulled from the "Main St." fund isn't it? My personal stock picking as outperformed my "safe" mutual funds by well over double. My choices are mostly the luck of buying oil and gas (a commodity play) vs. that professional you pay to screw up your accounts.

Bernanke, trained by Greenspan, has stolen through incompetence, a huge chunk of the wealth of the baby boomers and is transferring that to the big banks. He is forcing people to seek returns via risks that they should not be taking at this stage in their lives. Not that it likely matters. The new book from the GOA came out and said our current spending path is "unsustainable". But is the current administration going to stop spending? They cannot because it is propping up the economy like Custer propping up dead soldiers and hoping the Indians would think their were more of them than they are. It ain't gonna work.
 
You live in a beautiful state. My sister has recently moved there (SLO) with a great paying job and we are considering retiring there as well. The temps are marvelous and the views are even better. If those who had high paying jobs and are near retirement have not saved for that retirement, then that is a shame. Yes SS may not be their answer and medical costs will be going up for all of us.

I just can't understand why you are so down on CA. I loved it. Took the Pacific Oceanliner up the the coast. You are very very lucky.

You equate pointing out reality as being down on California.

All you look at is the beauty, wonderful climate, and fantastic views. Well everyone agrees with your observation.

So, when are you moving to California? San Lois Obispo?
 
My mother's cousins moved to CA ... Grapes of Wrath. Their father-dying of cancer- walked, hitchhiked and rode the brake lines to get to Long Beach from Arkansas to take a job. In a few months, he sent for them. The teenagers took jobs in the fruit and nut orchards. They lived together literally in a barn. They worked hard. They saved. Their property grew in value. But from knowing everyone and trusting everyone, they moved into less dangerous neighborhoods.

They still had to pay the city to park a camper in the back yard. They had to have a high chain link fence to park it in to keep vandals out. They had bars on every door and window. Alarm systems...and if they hadn't saved their SSI would not cover their taxes and insurance. So what did they do? Part of them moved to Las Vegas. Most of the rest to W SunCity AZ and one ended up in Branson MO. Far cheaper places to live.

NM - It's easy to say I saved, why didn't you? But there are a lot of folks who were wiped out so to speak when inflation robbed them of a significant portion of their savings in the 70s. Others lost a bundle when scumbag investment counselors put them into internet stocks in the late 1990s then into bank stocks in the mid-2005s. I know folks who have LESS money in their IRA than they did in 1999 and have put in money every year. I personally have a Mutual fund that has returned -2% in the past 5 years and +0.4% in 10 years-before you include fees... great mix of stocks they pulled from the "Main St." fund isn't it? My personal stock picking as outperformed my "safe" mutual funds by well over double. My choices are mostly the luck of buying oil and gas (a commodity play) vs. that professional you pay to screw up your accounts.

Bernanke, trained by Greenspan, has stolen through incompetence, a huge chunk of the wealth of the baby boomers and is transferring that to the big banks. He is forcing people to seek returns via risks that they should not be taking at this stage in their lives. Not that it likely matters. The new book from the GOA came out and said our current spending path is "unsustainable". But is the current administration going to stop spending? They cannot because it is propping up the economy like Custer propping up dead soldiers and hoping the Indians would think their were more of them than they are. It ain't gonna work.

Terrel,
We have a lot in common. We also have old time relatives that did the Grapes of Wrath journey. We have oil interests. We have relatives that survived the dust bowl.

We also invested in the dot.com boom and lost a ton because I was so so internet smart that I knew best. However, we have rebounded. Many have. CA is beautiful. I truly hope to retire there after researching so many other places. Yes, their taxes are high but just like paying a luxury tax for a home or car, I believe it is worth it.
 
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