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Housing Bubble Bursting?

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Some points:

First, Moe is right. The economic figures reflect total earnings. Economists and market watchers are warning that compaines that are US-centric are in for bad times. Meaning that the actual economy in the US is slowing down as Amercians spend less and default on the 24-32% credit cards.

Second, unemployment measures only those who are employed by companies (W-2 wages) vs. those who have applied at unemployment centers. If you are self-employed, you do not show up on the statistics. If you are under-employed (laid-off tech workers, etc), you show as employed, but not that your income is half or less what it was. If you've given up looking for work, you don't show up on the statistics.

There's a lot of hidden facts out there that the media is not reporting.
 
Having spent 35 years in this business I see things differently. When I started appraising it was for a second mortgage company that charged 11% interest. These are your sub primers of today. I have seen interest rates of 8 to %12 on houses and people did not flinch.
My point is that the FED can drop rates all they want but in a credit crunch private money will make a killing priced at risk for this market segment. They ain't going away and people are not going to stop getting jumbo loans because the rate goes up.
I appraised a $500,000 house once and the banker tried to get me to jack up the appraisal because the purchaser needed an extra $75,000 to pay off his credit card. The capital markets for long term stuff that is funded by private money are going to see rates go through the roof. The banks can cut rates to 1% if they want to but if they want my deposits they are going to have to compete with what I can get in the private market and right now I can get 8 to 14%. In a global economy there are lots of places to park your money and the FED doesn't regulate the global economy.
 
FED was a partner in this problem by wanting to fund "uncollectables" through foreign investors rather than US Gov insured institutions to relieve our obligations to some countries for energy and cheap imports. . . . . "default" co-partner will not make but token assistance until later in the game........afterall how many houses do they want? Or how many dollars of poor paper have been washed?......best to all........
 
The problems of losses generating solvency and liquidity crisis seems to be connected more to those banks and holders of U.S. subprime and ALT-A mortgages, mortgage backed securities, CDOs, SIVs, etc.

Few Expect a Panacea in a Rate Cut by the Fed


But David Hale, a longtime Fed watcher, noted that at least two German banks needed to be rescued last month because of their exposure to American mortgages. Chances are very high that there will be more, Mr. Hale said.
But economists are still debating whether the Fed created the housing bubble, and thus set the stage for the current bust, when it slashed interest rates to cushion the shock of a bursting stock market bubble.
“A critical determinant of housing prices is employment. If you think employment is going to weaken, your assumption for housing and for the ripple effects through the economy will be very different.”
 
Bernanke has a real tough time these days. In one hand, he sees the inflation signals out there: the energy price, health care and food prices, the $ value all show inflation. On the other hand, he is under huge pressure from politician and economists to cut the rate. Cutting rates is the only tool the Fed has and it may or may not work and the Fed doesn't like to go all the way down and start a new bubble all over again but the pressure is on him to do it now and do it big because we may get a recession. I don't understand why they are scared of recession. Recession is the natural cause of the bubble economy and it will clean up the mess.
 
Shiller of Yale Says U.S. Home Prices May Fall `Substantially'

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Good video. Listen to the concern. Central bankers are talking about how we got to this point looking back, not the plan forward to get out of this mess. Shiller points out that home prices are falling with a large overhang of inventory and the economy is weakening.
 
The sky is falling, the sky is falling!
 
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Shaky Housing Loans


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The sky isn't falling ... unless you are one of the unfortunate people that are foreclosed upon.
 
What happens in California may well spread

Why California housing matters

SAN DIEGO (MarketWatch) -- Stephen Levy is worried about the health of the housing market in California.

Even if you haven't heard of him or are simply tired of hearing about anything having to do with housing, Levy is a man who should be listened to. As senior economist at the Center for Continuing Study of the California Economy in Palo Alto, Calif., which he co-founded more than 35 years ago, Levy has seen more than his share of cycles.

This cycle doesn't look like it is going to end well, he says. His reasoning is deceptively simple: "There's a limit to what people can afford."

Fueled by what Levy terms "bizarre mortgages," home prices have ballooned to 80% more than the national average in some of these markets. The median home price in the state recent price declines, notwithstanding hovered at $586,000 as of late July, according to the latest figures from California Association of Realtors. That is more than double the national average of $228,900.

A bigger economic upheaval, Levy says, "isn't about foreclosures," which are making the headlines now, "it's about the spending behavior of those who aren't going to lose homes but have seen their wealth evaporate." Either they don't have as much home equity to borrow against, he says, or they are afraid to spend as they watch the value of their home decline.

From their peak, home prices in California's fastest-growing areas have fallen 6% to 11%. For a while, the so-called wealth effect of that decline was offset by the rising stock market. "But the stock market is coming back to earth," Levy says. At one point in August, in intraday trading, the Dow Jones Industrial Average was down 10% from its 14000.41 record close.

Making matters worse, he says, the first baby boomers turn 62 years old next year. They will be retiring soon and may want to sell their homes to downsize. As long as home prices remain at such lofty levels, California could have a hard time recruiting replacements who like the idea of homeownership, especially first-time buyers. "That's where this hits the economy," Levy says. "It will be hard to attract new people and firms to the state," which has seen a slow net migration in recent years.

Even multiple cuts in the Federal Reserve's target federal-funds rate, he argues, won't necessarily help until prices become more rational. With 10.7 months of unsold inventory, not counting homes that would be on the market if sellers thought there would be buyers, he believes Californians can expect another few years of difficulty, depending on the speed of this housing correction.

Why should non-Californians care about the California housing market, especially when the S&P/Case-Shiller Home Price Index shows year-over-year increases in such cities as Charlotte, N.C., Portland, Ore., and Seattle? Because the Golden State accounts for 13% of the country's gross domestic product or the total value of all goods and services produced nearly double the No. 2 contributor, New York. That means that what happens in California, home to such growth industries as high-tech, biotech, venture capital and film, doesn't necessarily stay in California. The impact of slow economic growth, or even recession, in the state will ripple through the rest of the country.

California, alone, wouldn't be enough to put the country into a recession, Levy says. "What would be serious would be if there are other markets like California." And based on prices well above the average in places like New York, Boston and Boulder, Colo., and the Miami-Fort Lauderdale area, we know there are.
My bold and red. The sky isn't falling yet in all parts of the country. But as the article brings out, what happens in California can have a negative affect on the whole economy.
 
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Yesterday I searched the Sunday paper for all of the recorded sales for the city and county for the previous week. In the city there were about $500,000 in record sales for the reported week. Split that among about 500 Realtors and see what it adds to in commissions.

The real shocker was the trustee sale ads. I was looking at the classified ads for the for rent sections and happen to notice the block ads for trustee sales. The reason they caught my attention was the size of the ad. I used to run auction black ads and I know what they cost. I thought: "Someone is spending a lot of money advertising a trustee sale." I started reading the fine print.
The first sale was in the most exclusive old money subdivision in the area. The defaulting party was my former surgeon. He was a great surgeon and I heard left town about 18 months ago because his national guard unit was called up but I didn't think you can foreclose on an active duty soldier. The other ads were the same. Top of the line areas with very prominent names. I have never seen anything like this before. My read is if you can't sell them in a reasonable time just walk away.
 
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