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Housing Bubble Bursting?

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rogerwatland said:
It's easy to be a pessimist. We are born, grow old, die and worms crawl out of our eyeballs & ears. The sun will become a red giant and incinerate us. Eventually, it will form a black hole and suck in the ashes/gasses.

But then what? See! You can still be an optimist. The miracle of life is enjoyed by all of us as a result of one gigantic bubble defying event after another. We are flying through space on a crusted surface of molten rock, warming our tootsies via a nuclear chain reaction.

One heck of a joy ride, an opportunity of a LIFETIME, or, merely the opportunity to fret about the downside. I say, prepare for downsides that are reasonably within your control......unless you just want to go for it all:)
I personally subscribe to the theory of dynamic equilibrium. Things change. We adjust to the change which, counterbalances the change. Having people react to a change by changing their behavior cancels out the change, hence new equilibrium.

All that changing around produces ups and downs too! :new_smile-l:

People really do not control anything. Some people believe they can control the future of events. All they do is react to their perceived reality. It is explained with chaos theory.
 
U.S. housing boom is biggest since 1890

U.S. housing boom is biggest since 1890
Increase in home prices may have been psychological, economist says

By Amy Hoak, MarketWatch
Last Update: 1:30 PM ET Jun 16, 2006




CHICAGO (MarketWatch) -- The recent housing boom is the biggest the United States has ever seen, but its underlying reasons may have been psychological, economist Robert J. Shiller said on Friday. New data also suggest the market might be at the end of a cycle, he added.

The only time since 1890 that compares to the recent residential real estate market is just after World War II, the Yale University professor said during a presentation on U.S. home prices, held at Standard & Poor's in New York and broadcast to journalists on the Web.

"After World War II, the soldiers came back and they wanted houses and started the baby boom. And when you had babies, you wanted houses with at least two bedrooms -- and that wasn't so common back then. They went on a buying spree and it pushed home prices up," he said.

The recent boom, however, doesn't have the same fundamental variables causing prices to soar, he said, adding that variation in such things as building costs, population and interest rates doesn't adequately explain the reason for the housing boom.

"I don't see why home prices should be shooting up that strongly," Shiller said, adding that speculation may have played a role. "It's a sign of concern."

Shiller was co-author of "Irrational Exuberance," a book that chronicled the stock-market bubble of the late 1990s. He also co-developed the S&P/Case Shiller Home Price Indices, designed to measure the average change in U.S. home prices. The indexes are based on 10 cities -- Boston, Miami, New York, San Diego, San Francisco, Washington, D.C., Chicago, Denver, Las Vegas and Los Angeles -- and are now the basis of new futures and options trading at the Chicago Mercantile Exchange.

Within that index, Shiller has noticed a short-term trend of cooling home prices that could signal an end to the cycle of steep appreciation increases. Investing in the index could help homeowners hedge against price fluctuations in their homes, he said.

Shiller said he is not allowed to invest in home price index futures.

During a question-and-answer session, he said that the stabilization of home prices could also have some effect on consumers' means of gaining equity. Low interest rates inspired people to refinance their homes, and the increasing value of their houses allowed them to pad their pockets with spending money; consumers will now have to turn to other means for financing, including credit, he said.

In the future, insurance companies may offer policies to shield consumers from lowering home prices, thanks to the futures now available, said David Blitzer, managing director and chairman of the Index Committee at Standard & Poor's, who also participated in the presentation. He identified the housing market as a continued stable investment.

"If you want volatility, go to the stock market," he said. "If you have any doubts of that, take a look at it over the past six weeks."
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Bobby B: Mike I’m afraid you’ve gone too far on this one. It appears you may have insulted the clique. I’m in the dog house with them anyway and just maybe I can gain some points by turning you in for something. …have you made a profit on anything lately? That constitutes a crime to many in here…..maybe to the “Realtor” police for an Article 2 violation about your positive comments concerning Texas……( avoid exaggeration, misrepresentation, and concealment of pertinent facts.)

Please understand I’m not doing this as a crusader, but as the consummate capitalist. In case you haven’t noticed, there’s a bounty out on you. :-)


A bounty you say? How much is it? :shrug:

Maybe we can work together (I'm a capitalist too). We can pull the ole, you're a bounty hunter...I'm a dirty, low life, Realtor/Broker/Investor/Bushwaker routine. You can turn me into the Crusaders for making a profit & shoot the noose when they're about to hang me. We'll make our escape & move onto the next cybersaloon--where you can turn me in all over again, maybe this time for advising appraisers to invest.

You will stick around and shoot the noose won't you? :unsure:

I am guilty of making a profit lately. I'm also culpable of having a good time. I've eliminated all the negativity (pressure, getting stiffed, being asked to work for free...POOF...all gone!).

I'm now planning & plotting my next caper..."exercising my options for tax-free/tax deferred income by leveraging real estate related investment in my qualified plans."

I can see the wanted posters now:
Mike (Ponsi Scheme) Simpson
Wanted: For thinking outside the box & encouraging original thinking
Reward: Fifty Skippy Appraisals you can offer to Review for free
Last Seen: At a West Coast Airport looking for opportunity
Armed: With knowledge & looking for more
Accomplices: Anyone involved in Real Estate & not affiliated with "The Crusaders"

I always enjoy Neff, Roger, Bucks & Owens contributions. And it's good to see others posting some positive news now.

I'm noticing whenever I show up lately...Crusaders seem to bail. At least that way some positive (opposing) viewpoints can be offered.

-Mike
 
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Mike Simpson said:
I always enjoy Neff, Roger, Bucks & Owens contributions. And it's good to see others posting some positive news now.

I'm noticing whenever I show up lately...Crusaders seem to bail. At least that way some positive (opposing) viewpoints can be offered.

-Mike


Me? Can't be, everyone knows that I don't know nuthin' about nuthin'.

Early Happy Fathers Day to all.
 
Mike (S),

What's there to talk about with you? We're not in the 6th grade anymore and everyone knows you'd have a complete meltdown if anyone dared to use a term for you similar in vitriol to your constant use of "Crusaders". So what's left?

So say what you have to say, sneer as much as you can sneer and be happy that people don't treat you the way you treat other people.
 
George Hatch said:
Mike (S),

What's there to talk about with you? We're not in the 6th grade anymore and everyone knows you'd have a complete meltdown if anyone dared to use a term for you similar in vitriol to your constant use of "Crusaders". So what's left?

So say what you have to say, sneer as much as you can sneer and be happy that people don't treat you the way you treat other people.


Mike S,

You can talk to me anytime. I try to surround myself with successful positive outlook type of people. There always are plenty of people bringing others down.
 
Good News for the 2 Mike(s)

Cooling housing market adds to rental demand in many cities

By Ruth Simon
From The Wall Street Journal Online

It's no longer a renter's market.

For years, rents have been flat or falling in cities nationwide -- a result of the booming home-sales market, which transformed scores of renters into owners. But as the housing market cools, rentals are once again in demand, liberating landlords in many markets to raise rents at the fastest pace in years. They're also cutting back on the goodies that previously helped lure tenants, such as a free month's rent or a free DVD player.

While renters have had an easy ride for years, the current bout of rent increases could prove to be a jolt for many Americans, from seniors looking to downsize to recent grads looking for their own place. Average effective rents -- or what tenants pay after taking concessions into account -- are expected to rise 3% this year, according to Reis Inc., a real-estate research firm. Rents began picking up last year after several years of softness. As recently as 2002, rents fell 1%.

It's partly a supply-and-demand issue. Years of soaring house prices (and recent increases in mortgage rates) have simply priced many people out of the home-buying market. Indeed, the portion of U.S. households owning their own home slipped to 68.5% in the first quarter from 69.1% a year earlier, according to the Census Bureau.

The higher costs for rentals come as strong job growth in recent years has boosted demand for apartments. At the same time, many apartments have been converted to condos, reducing the availability of rentals. Tenants forced out of units being converted to condos often have trouble finding another apartment with a similar rent, real-estate agents say.

Even with the latest price increases, renting remains a bargain compared with owning in much of the country. In Las Vegas, Los Angeles and Seattle, the monthly cost of renting the average apartment was roughly half what it would cost to own the median-priced home in the first quarter, according to an analysis prepared for The Wall Street Journal by Torto Wheaton Research, a unit of CB Richard Ellis Group Inc. The cost of owning is based on a 15% down payment and a 30-year fixed-rate mortgage; it doesn't include property taxes, insurance or tax deductions.

"We're having a flood of rental properties coming back into the market simply because the investors who bought with the intention of flipping them have not been able to," says Brenda F. Gerdes, broker-owner of Management Specialists Inc., a property-management firm in Port St. Lucie, Fla., where average rental rates for properties owned by individual investors have fallen about 20% over the past year.

Real-estate agents say individual investors need to be realistic about their asking rents, even if the rent isn't enough to cover their monthly costs. Robert Fowler, owner of HomeRentalAds.com, a rental Web site, tells clients to base their asking rents on what similar properties are fetching, not the rents charged by large apartment complexes. If tenants aren't forthcoming, "don't wait too long before making adjustments," he adds.

http://www.realestatejournal.com/buysell/markettrends/20060613-simon.html?refresh=on
 
where average rental rates for properties owned by individual investors have fallen about 20% over the past year.

are expected to rise 3% this year, according to Reis Inc., a real-estate research firm. Rents began picking up last year after several years of softness. As recently as 2002, rents fell 1%.

Down 20% Raise 3% looks like still a loss to me.

Even if the rent isn't enough to cover their monthly costs.

BUT don't worry HONEY we'll make up the loss in TAX SAVINGS Now eat the Macarroni & Cheese it's a healthy meal.
 
mike neff said:
Mike S,

You can talk to me anytime. I try to surround myself with successful positive outlook type of people. There always are plenty of people bringing others down.

:rof:

There is a lot of negativity, especially from Mike S., regarding the appraisal profession.

Sorry to break the news to you guys, but MBs and AMCs are not the only appraisal work out there. It is the easiest work to get, which means low fees and lots of nonsense.

If you don't want to deal with nonsense, you don't have to. It, of course, takes motivation on the appraiser's part to get this type of work, but then when is anything in life easy?

Not only is not dealing with MBs and AMCs much more stress free, it's also much more financially rewarding.
 
Bad News for the 2 Mike(s)

No doubt Fed will hike rates in June
But some question the wisdom of tightening further

By Greg Robb, MarketWatch
Last Update: 3:44 PM ET Jun 16, 2006



WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) -- Scientists tell us that one sign of intellegence is a capacity to step back and reassess your surroundings after you're hit in the head with a stick.

So it is with Wall Street economists, who, after entertaining the notion that the Fed might pause at the end of the month, have abandoned the notion after several well-placed whacks in the form of hawkish rhetoric from Fed officials.

Now, less than two weeks before the June 28-29 meeting of the Federal Open Market Committee, economists and the financial markets are in agreement that the Fed will raise its short-term rate target to 5.25% following two days of policy deliberation.

It would be the 17th consecutive Fed rate hike, spanning the past two years. View interactive graphic.

A fair amount of muttering has recently been heard from economists who believe it might be prudent for the central bank to pause and assess whether the scattered signs of an economic slowdown gather force.

Although some economists question the wisdom and providence of the "relentlessly hawkish" rhetoric, no one doubts its intent over the past few weeks. Economists believe the Fed adopted a hawkish tone out of concern that the market was questioning the central bankers' inflation-fighting credibility.

"They turned more hawkish, and they turned to focus on the near-term inflation indicators instead of focusing on the longer-term inflationary outlook over the next 18 months," said Richard Berner, chief economist at Morgan Stanley Dean Witter.

Earlier this month, economists were describing a dilemma for a central bank seeking to chart a course amid signs of both rising inflation and a softening economy. But in a June 5 speech, Fed chief Ben Bernanke came down squarely in the camp of those who see inflation as a bigger threat.

Bernanke highlighted elevated three-month and six-month rises in core inflation as being "at or above" the upper range that he would find acceptable, and called it an "unwelcome development." See full story.

In the same speech, Bernanke seemed to welcome signs of a slowdown, saying that the economy was running out of slack at its previous rate of growth.

With Bernanke and other Fed officials saying inflation is at the high end of their comfort zones, "the market has reasonably gone to the view that they are going to go a quarter-point" in June, and also worry about the prospect of another move later in the summer, said James Glassman, economist at J.P. Morgan Chase.

Before Bernanke spoke, a soft May employment report had financial markets thinking there was an even chance the Fed would pause in June.

"We have to respect what the Fed is signaling to us," said economist David Rosenberg of Merrill Lynch. "They are telling us in no uncertain terms that they are prepared to raise rates."

"The Fed's attitute is undeniable, even if possibly questionable," said Maury Harris, economist at UBS Securities.

Roger Kubarych, economist at HVB Group, said the Fed is moving interest rates into "restrictive territory," which carries significant risks for the economy.

An overshooting on rates "is capable of transforming a mild deceleration into a more serious slowdown -- as it did in 2000," he said.

Any remaining doubts of a Fed hike were erased after the May consumer-prices report showed that core inflation had increased 0.3% for a third straight month. See full story.

Dean Maki suggested the Fed might consider pushing the federal-funds rate to 5.5% in June, but others said a half-percentage rate hike would break with the norm and smack of panic.

Most economists said Bernanke will use his semiannual Humphrey-Hawkins testimony before Congress to guide markets about the future course of interest rates.

But, at the moment, economists and the market are expecting another quarter-point increase at the Aug. 8 meeting.
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