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Hybrid Appraisals

Are Hybrid Appraisals USPAP Compliant?

  • Yes

    Votes: 7 38.9%
  • No

    Votes: 11 61.1%

  • Total voters
    18
The passionate argument in favor of hybrid products is eerily similar to the last stand of Zaio when we were told to get with the times or be left behind. Could there possibly be a comeback behind the scenes where hybrid/zones are being offered? If so, I’d love to know how to short this cutting edge product. :cool:
And eerily enough, one of Zaio's hired consultants is a hybrid champion. But we're not supposed to pay attention to any of that.

Maybe we'll see a Hybrid Zone Appraiser Advisory Committe in the near future.
 
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i am failing to see where gse's where mentioned in that article... :shrug: :rof:
That was my very point. :)

There are lots of different types of hybrid appraisals. The GSE have a much deeper data set, and more technological controls to detect the kinds of things T suggests, than the hybrids done for other purposes.

And to be clear, I am perfectly fine with anyone deciding not to do them. It is the false claims about USPAP, laws, etc, that concern me, especially given that all here are supposed to be trained in objective analysis based on data.
 
And it concerns me that people don’t know the laws . Just because they’re not enforced doesn’t mean they aren’t there. But I give you and your friends credit, you’ve done a tremendous job and making sure laws are not enforced. Very impressive.
 
You make this allegation so much that I have to assume you truly believe it happens. In my career I will say that I was offered something like that exactly one time - back when I was the ASB chair a certain forms provider wanted the ASB to adopt something that would have been very favorable to a new thing he wanted to do. He offered that if I wanted to discuss it he could arrange for a private jet to fly me to ASB meetings so we could have one-on-one time to chat. I politely declined. :)

My support for the hybrid appraisal process is based on one thing, and one thing only - the data from the testing. Appraisals based on a PDR rather than a personal inspection are far more likely to report an appraiser condition rating that aligns with the actual definitions, and such appraisals are far less likely to overlook necessary repairs and/or inspections. As far as I know, no one questioning those findings has actually done any analysis of their own.

Lastly, if one asserts that data collectors are providing appraisal assistance and need to be cited as such, do we also need to cite the tax assessor or whatever source we used for the site size? I assume that most are not personally measuring the site size. The truth is that appraisers use third party data, specifically third party data about the subject, in every appraisal. They are just accustomed to gathering certain data elements themselves, because for many years there was no other way to do it.

I believe this is true. - For certain data. However, one big data item is the measurement of square footage. How good are third party inspectors on accuracy here? Do they satisfy the ANSI standard? I couldn't say, for either these unlicensed 3rd-Party inspectors, or the average appraiser. In fact, based on my limited personal experience, even with MAIs - most appraisers are lousy inspectors. But I am not.

For me the rule is that the standard "appraisal" done per USPAP by licensed appraisers is a compromise between accuracy and the practical real world business constraints: The so-called USPAP standard and bank and GSE guidelines are themselves loose and rather flexible. The Appraisal Institute says "appraisals" are "opinions." The protocols are simply meant as "guardrails" against sloppiness, inaccuracy and fraud.

Grok-3 says residential appraisals are on average 5-10% accurate, and commercial appraisals are only 10-15% accurate.

Yes, that is what "appraisal" means: Limited accuracy in the face of real world constraints (e.g. incompetence, limited time, resources).

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Then consider the timeline for appraisals, the turn-over rate for sale prices becoming comparables is maybe 12/year - and the accepted upward bias of "appraisals" compounds itself 12/year as well.

--- That is unacceptable in my opinion. --- BUT, to do any better, you need to value outside the appraisal profession. The appraisal industry and so many dependencies and so much inertia, plagued by really incompetent leadership from the very top down, and above all incompetent reviewers, that improvement is virtually impossible. Something better is needed completely outside the field of appraisal, such as "value engineering."

It is possible. But you might as well drop your appraiser license and disassociate yourself completely from appraisal.

Who needs more accurate valuations than appraisers deliver? Certainly not the GSEs - they are far beyond improvement. So, it's a good question. Hit the pavement and contact banks and investors. ... There may be some out there.

This year, I will disassociate myself from being an appraiser .... and just work as a valuation consultant with a Broker License. Less overhead and I write and abide by my own higher standards.

In Civil Engineering, they talk of a 1/10,000 chance of structure failure per year of a structure over 30–100 years. In appraisal, it is a 5-15% chance of failure over 3–6 weeks. Now, what do you think about that?
 
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The primary impetus for exploring the use of hybrid appraisals was the long turn times that result when the market spikes. Anyone remember the spike in 2015 or 2016 that gave rise to the term the "COW" states (Colorado, Oregon and Washington) - those where states were turn times were VERY long. And, of course we all know what happened during COVID. Having someone else collect the data and having the appraiser focus on analyzing the data is just a way to gain efficiency in such times.

Of course, right now there is little concern about turn times, because loan volume is so slow. But we all know that markets change, and there will be another spike someday. The use of hybrids is a way to help alleviate the stress on the system that a spike could generate. The findings related to condition ratings and inspections/repairs was not an expected result, just something that the analysis revealed.


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That may be the first time the GSE's looked into alternative options but it is the GSE's claim that appraisers are racist and biased that has moved it forwards since.

The entire appraisal modernization program at the GSE is based on pushing the narrative that appraisers are racist and biased. It is not the appraisals that are wrong and biased, it is that the GSE AVM's which are used as benchmarks are wrong.

You can see from the publication that it is racial inequities in housing and the appraisers are racist narrative which are the reason for increasing the use of hybrids, increasing the use of collateral underwriter as a review tool, and continuing modernization.

As you can see, all of these programs, Collateral Underwriter (CU), UAD (New forms), Automated Valuations (AVM), Hybrid Appraisals, the entire modernization effort has been pushed forward based on the fake story of appraisers being racist and biased.
 
That was my very point. :)

There are lots of different types of hybrid appraisals. The GSE have a much deeper data set, and more technological controls to detect the kinds of things T suggests, than the hybrids done for other purposes.

And to be clear, I am perfectly fine with anyone deciding not to do them. It is the false claims about USPAP, laws, etc, that concern me, especially given that all here are supposed to be trained in objective analysis based on data.

so your point was to point out something not in that article...:unsure::rof:
 
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The GSE Selling Guide, Appraiser Quality Monitoring, Valuation Modernization, Collateral Underwriter, Uniform Appraisal Dataset, are all programs based on the fake story of racist appraisers.
 
The Appraisers-R-Racist psyop that began on the Biden campaign trail and ended with the Trump administration was perpetuated by some of the very same people who have been pushing for waivers and hybrids over the past decade. That's not even debatable.
 
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