Incoming Trainee Data - Florida

[nauthead]

Maybe you could name the bar/bait shop/restaurant/boat cleaning service/appraisal shop "Nauthead's". It seems to fit all of those professions.

 

[Frederick]

Unfortunately if the market picks up I am afraid Skippy will just send out untrained and unsupervised people and sign on the right side as "have inspected" just as he always has in the past.

 

[Rancid13]

I believe we are seeing a similar trend in all the states.....

In the state of CA for all license levels, we've lost over 500 appraisers since January 1, 2008. From 19,725 to 19,209 (last update on license statuses was June 2).

 

[PJK03]

Like I said in a previous post, as soon as I find the supervisor who is signing for the trainee in my area, keep in mind he lives 250 miles away, we will have two less licenses in Cali.

 

[Mike Phillips]

In the state of CA for all license levels, we've lost over 500 appraisers since January 1, 2008. From 19,725 to 19,209 (last update on license statuses was June 2).

Yeah, but here is the kicker...

CA still has the Licensed category. So you can lose 1/3 - 1/2 your appraisers
in times like these, and when things pick up substantially and/or get downright busy again (if ever) it will still be an easy route to go from off the street to Registered Trainee to Licensed appraiser in (realistically) just over one year. If that is not completely accurate for CA it certainly is for many other states.

I consider 1-year as the short-run; we are talking careers here, not how you afford your next vacation. It is a bad situation whenever a candidate can enter a field and setup on a dime (not much more) and become a menace to society in just over one year.

Not the same in FL. You fail to renew your license for 2 cycles in a row you lose it. If you have to enter the field again you must meet the new AQB requirements to become Certified. So even if you already have the OJT you still need the AA or 21-hours. There ain't no Licensed category in FL, or PA, or NC - maybe a few other states.

So in FL sooner or later all or our Trainees are going to have to meet the new AQB requirements. And as I said, if you are/were Certified already and you lose the license you may not be able to enter the field as Certified again.

Which is why I argue, appraisers who are career minded should be pushing their states to phase out the Licensed appraiser category. Personally, I don't care. But it would be good for EVERY career-minded, quality-oriented appraiser.

Does no good for me to b****. When I discuss it, all the Licensed appraisers think I'm busting their chops - that's not it at all. It is about getting the trash out of the business and keeping them out and taking control of our "profession."

 

[Dutchman]

Oregon and Washington, maximum number of trainees any appraiser can have is three. Still 2 too many but it's a start.

 

[ZZGAMAZZ]

MIke: I don't understand what you mean by going from AT to AL in less than a year. I think the min exp hours have increased to 2,500 and the mentor must be certified. At 5 - 10 hours per assignment that's approx 300 jobs.

Do you know (I don't) the consequence of letting one's license expire?

 

[Rancid13]

In CA, it takes 12 months, 2000 hours of experience and 150 hours of education in order to meet the minimum requirements to upgrade from trainee license to appraiser license. In order to upgrade to certified residential, an 2500 hours of experience over the course of 30 months plus 200 hours of education (I assume the 150 hours from trainee/license carries into certified, so that would be 50 more hours of education) plus an associates degree or 21 semester credits in specific subjects in lieu of the degree.

MIke: I don't understand what you mean by going from AT to AL in less than a year. I think the min exp hours have increased to 2,500 and the mentor must be certified. At 5 - 10 hours per assignment that's approx 300 jobs.

Do you know (I don't) the consequence of letting one's license expire?

I know in CA you're allowed a 2-year grace period after your license expires. I allowed my AT license to lapse almost a year because I had a baby right around the time it was due for renewal and was short on money to pay for said renewal. I don't know what happens once you're outside that 2-year window, whether they'll allow you to re-up with additional education requirements, or start the whole process over from scratch. There's nothing on the OREA website about that, but I'll try to remember to ask when I call them in the next few days to find out the status of my upgrade. Not that I plan on letting it happen.

 

[xmrevned]

Any information on new Certified Residential Appraisers moving up from Trainee level in Florida? I'm wondering how many moved up to beat the new criteria?

 

[Mike Phillips]

Any information on new Certified Residential Appraisers moving up from Trainee level in Florida? I'm wondering how many moved up to beat the new criteria?

I expect you are right about many getting in under the wire. Don't know for sure - we receive very little data from FREAB and DBPR - you have to dig to get the data I posted. That means literally putting the .pdf database file in Excel and extracting what you can. You have to make sense out of it first.

Florida is one of a few states to eliminate the Licensed category. Frankly, I believe they did it by mistake. All I know is that I'll be watching the figures as of 11/30/08 to see who gets out - plenty Certifieds will.

It doesn't matter. Enough Certifieds will leave the business on their own, via retirement or just being fed up, sooner or later. After the grandfathering of the trainees is over, sooner or later they will have to meet the new AQB requirements.

AA or 21 hours ain't much, but it is enough to keep most residential appraiser want-to-bees out. Wait and see.