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Judge Rules Appraiser/Lender Owe no duty of care

No, it was a failed drain field. They just give out after 30-40 years
Sometimes in certain soil conditions. But non-toilet paper will work its way into a leachfield. I used to work for a civil engineer and did perk tests. We did occasionally have to reperk a field and a bacterial algal issue is curable but when the pipes are clogged with tiny piece of paper towels, well the pipe has to be ripped up and you might as well haul off the gravel and install new gravel over the pipe at that point. My field is over 40 years old but never needed replaced or remediated. Pumping the tank can wait for years. My niece's system is 50 plus years old - ditto.
 
There is no public sewer where i I live on county (public road) . But we have building code where I live. If public sewer were available on the road? Code and VA would require me to hook up. Also with water well, there would be requirements on distance between water well and septic system.

That is where some of these professionals messed up on distance between water well and septic system per FHA standards. Local code could also apply.
 
Just a side note about homeowners insurance In the Link below I would pick Option 1

 
With regard to products liability, a defendant is liable when the plaintiff proves that the product is defective, regardless of the defendant’s intent. It is irrelevant whether the manufacturer or supplier exercised great care; if there is a defect in the product that causes harm, he or she will be liable for it.

This is the only industry where a consumer pays for a product, in this case $650.00, and if that item is defective and or causes harm, the appraiser is allowed to CYA out of it.
Let's talk about what you did as a consumer, and what the terms and conditions were in that transaction.

What you actually paid for was a loan. The lender collected some of their costs from you and used some of those fund to offset some of their costs, including the appraisal and the title search and various other junk fees and such, but that doesn't alter the point that what you bought from the lender and FHA was a loan. Which you have received and which you are now enjoying the proceeds.

Sometimes the value of the property that the loan encumbers increases in value. Sometimes it decreases in value. Sometimes things break. The terms of the loans the lenders make don't include any assurances of the property attributes or any warranty of those attributes. The lenders arguably don't owe the borrowers anything as to those attributes. What they agreed to do was to provide and service their loan as per the terms and conditions of the loan, just as the borrowers also don't owe anything else to the lenders except to perform on their end.

You paid for a loan and you got a loan. They now own the mortgage position, which includes the risk for either getting all their money back or getting only part of their money back. You own the equity position which includes the potential for either profit or loss. All you bought was a loan, not a warranty that they will cover your losses in the event the property loses value or something breaks.

You and the appraiser didn't enter into any agreement with one another. You entered into an agreement with the lender as a consumer, and the appraiser entered into an agreement as a vendor, no different than if the lender had engaged or employed an attorney or an accountant or a environmental consultant or home inspector of whatnot. If/when engaged these other employees or contractors activities are aimed directly and solely at assisting the lender to evaluate the property insofar as their attempts to make a loan and subsequently profit by the repayment thereof. None of these due diligence services are made for the purpose or with the intent of protecting the borrower from the unknown, nor is the lender selling such protection to the borrower as part of their loan.

It appears these are among the reasons that the lender is telling you they are not responsible for the condition or the value of your property. You didn't purchase such assurances from them. They are performing on their end of the loan and they expect you to perform on your end of the loan.

The appraiser made errors but IRL the lender is only going to go after them if the loan defaults and the lender loses money. You did not engage the lender to protect you from any losses or to collect damages for you. If you sue the appraiser and win by alleging and proving that the appraiser owes you a new sewer and well then the appraiser's E&O probably comes into play. If you allege and prove the appraiser committed fraud then the appraiser may have to pay it all out of pocket. The judge has issued legal rulings as per their read of the laws as they are written - and to which you strongly disagree. You can appeal these rulings but at this point that's your primary barrier - the judge's read of the law as written.
 
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So glad I don't have a septic tank. So glad I don't have to appraise homes with septic tanks.
It appears septic tanks can be costly if there are major issues.
Again, local real estate agents should be aware of septic tanks and potential problems and should have veered buyer to get experts in checking out the septic tanks.
Appraisers and lenders are not experts and only in helping getting a loan with help of government agency to help those who can't afford to buy a home and in this case, a costly loan if taken back.
 
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negligence of one among multiple parties involved in an injury that is measured (as in percentages) according to the degree of its contribution to the injury

IMO-the 90-day question as to why the system failed has not been answered, also where or when, during the inspection of those systems is there a noted possible problem. If no inspection was completed by the "expert in their field" (most home inspection companies, I know of perform a water flow test to find seepage/failure of some type, if any). We have not been provided the Revised Sales Agreement or copy of the Home Inspector report.
I think it is Interesting that there is a 90 day flip waiting period for FHA loans too, before the property can qualify forr FHA financing again and the defect was found in exactly 90 days after the sale. I see flippers sometimes discover after an investment "bargain" they purchased as an estate sale, that there is a problem with a system when they intended to slap some LVP flooring, paint it, and put some quartz counter tops in it, and sell for massive profit. Auction sales where the highest bidder wins as well. Investors use FHA financing to purchase as well.
 
The point remains, there is zero overlap between
"This is what we require to make this loan"
vs​
"This is what we owe you if we make a mistake on our end about your property attributes"
If the lender never made any assertions or assurances to the borrower as to the attributes of the property then that is what it is. If the reason you're not going after the broker is because they explicitly advised you to exercise your own due diligence then you're probably not going to get any further with a party that didn't sell you the property,
 
In my view, this is a shakedown in getting appraiser and/or lender to pay for the septic repair.
 
The point remains, there is zero overlap between
"This is what we require to make this loan"
vs​
"This is what we owe you if we make a mistake about your property attributes"
If the lender never made any assertions or assurances to the borrower as to the attributes of the property then that is what it is.
Back when Cuomo was in charge of HUD, they were way out over their skis generating publicity for him with TV commercials of appraisers "wiggling pipes in basements" to reassure borrowers their property would be free from defects, & safe to move into. I checked one time, and HUD issued an average of six press releases a day during his tenure, most of which were strictly to generate publicity for his further political aims. One of his press releases indicated that his department would assist borrowers in suing appraisers for "triple damages" should the need arise. So, in my opinion, the borrower can be forgiven for expecting some sort of HUD "warranty" on her FHA loan.
 
Back when Cuomo was in charge of HUD, they were way out over their skis generating publicity for him with TV commercials of appraisers "wiggling pipes in basements" to reassure borrowers their property would be free from defects, & safe to move into. I checked one time, and HUD issued an average of six press releases a day during his tenure, most of which were strictly to generate publicity for his further political aims. One of his press releases indicated that his department would assist borrowers in suing appraisers for "triple damages" should the need arise. So, in my opinion, the borrower can be forgiven for expecting some sort of HUD "warranty" on her FHA loan.
I don't remembered Cuomo as head of HUD. I doubt many today remember what he said.
Good thing current HUD leader not telling borrowers to sue.
 
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