Just curious about trainees

[Karl]

Gotta partially diagree with you Terrel On this part:

then they will turn in those Supervisors that committed fraud.

which sinks their boat too, unless they figure it out on the very first appraisal

Nope the prosecuters will work deals in order to get the bigger fish. In the event that those that may have produced some Appraisals that may not be what they thought they were before finding this Forum & other sources, Better to go to those that can make your life more miserable than a lender can than to have them come to you.

This part couldn't agree more with!!

Only hire college grads (I cannot train them on commercial if they never are going to get their CG and will ikely not get there CR either) 4) Let the trainees foot their own freight for software, hardware, classes, licensing 5) Someone with poor writing skills at the beginning will never have good writing skills 6) If they do not make conversation, I am not going to like being couped up in a car with them 7) They must have excellent computer skills

Heck, those skills will get you a REAL job

No doubt about it. BUT right now being a bouncer at a strip joint is superior to this job!!

 

[Mack Mitchell]

To the Experts

I find them to be more of a burden. Why not take a fee off the top for bringing in the business without the liablity of a trainee. I think they are quickly becoming a thing of the past.

Opinions like this is part of the reason the current mentoring system is total crap. Thank god for states with Provisional Licenses and other alternate programs. Even if you have to pay for great training which I do and will continue to do. I hope those that are entering the profession have the drive and persistence to ignore crap like the above statements. To all trainees please do research before attempting to enter the profession. If you feel it is worth it, go for it and don’t let the so-called experts deter you with the doom and gloom. Never quit.

It is obvious that in the near future those entering the profession will probably have a much stiffer climb uphill then those that already know the secret handshake. You will probably have to pay for mentoring. So what. If you believe that Appraising is a good career then pay the d@#$% price for proper training and earn your license. The new regulations are great. What you “experienced” Appraisers fail to realize is that future trainees will probably have college degrees, and full-time positions while they train. This will certainly provide them with the income to pay for training, the ability to ride out downturns and the ability to take their time to learn the skills needed to be a good appraiser.

I am willing to bet that paid mentoring programs such as the online one that was mentioned in previous threads will be the thing of the future. Since you guys are supposedly so big on supply and demand you should realize that the demand for Appraisal training will still be there and probably increase. So you can bet that programs will be developed to meet that demand. And no matter how good the program is, once they have trained your competition I’m sure you will call them a Skippy, because they are producing a better product and knocking you of your experienced high chair. So get over yourselves

 

[Karl]

Mack!! calm down your not going to make many friends on here this way. You raise some good points however they'll be NO NEED for Appraisers IF we don't all work together on improving the profession. On Line training for Trainees will totally destroy the profession. might as well send in a big enough check get license & couple designations at same time. IF we were to do appraising properlly & I hope it comes back to that concept soon. NO on line couse is going to teach Common sense, the neighborhood your in ,micro & macro items. The economy of the specific area. & most important how to get answers out of some very good appraisers in the immediate area of where you are working.

As far as Doom & Gloom IF your not willing to except that there is Doom & Gloom out there & willing to work to fix it, I'm willing to bet that your a Mortgage Brokers best friend!!

Have you been raked over the coals yet cause your report "Killed a Deal" ???

 

[Mack Mitchell]

Just giving a Trainee's Perspective

Mack!! calm down your not going to make many friends on here this way. You raise some good points however they'll be NO NEED for Appraisers IF we don't all work together on improving the profession. On Line training for Trainees will totally destroy the profession. might as well send in a big enough check get license & couple designations at same time. IF we were to do appraising properlly & I hope it comes back to that concept soon. NO on line couse is going to teach Common sense, the neighborhood your in ,micro & macro items. The economy of the specific area. & most important how to get answers out of some very good appraisers in the immediate area of where you are working.

As far as Doom & Gloom IF your not willing to except that there is Doom & Gloom out there & willing to work to fix it, I'm willing to bet that your a Mortgage Brokers best friend!!

Have you been raked over the coals yet cause your report "Killed a Deal" ???

Not me personally because I am still working with my mentor. But yes I have witnessed the results of killing a deal, but I realize that’s what happens when an ethical appraiser does the right thing. And trust me I have been in numerous situations, in my career where you have to stand alone and I don’t have any problems doing that. And I’m not a friend of any mortgage broker. As far as the online schools I was just trying to illustrate that the desire to learn the profession is there and its going to increase. And someone will fill the demand.

I was trying to address the original posters contention that trainees are outdated. The doom and gloom that many have mentioned is the decline of business. Well in my area the business is pretty good. I understand that there are pressures but there are pressures in every profession.

 

[Kali the Boston Terrier]

I am concerned that new people entering the business believe that a small amount of training...online, limited exposure with a supervisor, etc. will make them competent to perfrom assignments. I think for real basic residential that may be true....however for complex work, niche work, and most commercial stuff. If anyone thinks that a guy taking an online course is somehow going to be better trained than appraisers who work on this side of the business...wow you got a reality check coming.

That would be really funny to see an newly online course grad try and do some eminent domain or conservation easement work. Better yet maybe they could take a course on litigation and become an expert...I would pay to watch that cross examination.

 

[Mike Boyd]

I have a trainee and have had for several years. They ARE worthwhile if trained properly.

 

[Greenback]

...That would be really funny.., to see an online course graduate try and, "do" some eminent domain or even maybe some conservation (easement) work. Better yet, maybe they could all take a course on litigation, become an expert; I would pay to watch that cross examination.

I re-constructed part of your post, Mr. Kirksey. My MAI Supervisor hates it when I re-construct his writings. It seems as though I'm always wrong. I get un-timing lectures that imply I can't compete with skippy and, that I have a hard time pleasing the ones whom like to treat Residential Appraisers like they should not exist or like, "they are a burden and in-competent (thing of the past)". You know, like a SLAVE! - Like my male Supervisor puts it, "Benji, it's just a residential..." (then portrays aggravation within, when I say, "NO IT'S NOT!). Just because he is a MAI doesn't mean a drop of doo doo to me; I don't kiss butt.

It just so happens that this Supervisor of mine specializes in litigation, conservation, etc..

I remember when I first met him. He said, "I want you to make a lot of money" (and repeated that several times). I have a gut feeling he is fixing to drop my sponsorship since I'm too stupid After all, all I have is a GED

I think he got really excited when he saw my resume. Perhaps he didn't realise I specialized in residential and rural residential land. See, that's my niche; residential / land.

"Thank God for the internet, libraries, and lost (and found) economic literature that was discarded through-out time. It's a new century, a new generation, a new attitude, and a new source for education. My grandpa said I had to spoon feed myself to make it in this world, no matter what you do and who you may come across".

What would be even hilarious, is to watch some punk kid from "stupid Louisiana" with no status quo - formal education (in which you speak of), perform the assignments/cases you noted. You implied that you would pay to watch that cross examination?

If I want to do those type of assignments, you can bet ya butt I'll do it, only to prove a point.

Even-so, I have a very important project that I'm working on and I don't have time to pacify this offer at the moment. What you can do is this, though: buy me the material in order to learn that "niche" and I'll pick it a part. Then, one day while I'm bored, you can pay me in order to watch me. I may even make a "my space" page out of it and let the entire world look at it.

I say drop me, if this guy (My Supervisor) thinks I'm just a burden and my niche is a thing of the past
His lost...

To whom it may concern,

Reading the residential real estate market is more complex than many are led to believe. Everyone thinks they can do residential real estate appraisals; sad!


Mr. Boyd,

I agree, yes they are; if trained, educated, and recieved the appropriate counseling.

Sincerely,

 

[Amy Grande]

Let's make a pact between the two of us to further muddy up the waters by sticking around so there's two more certifieds to feed at the trough. Good luck to both of us!

Is this an exclusive club or can more members be added?

Sadly, I have to concur with the volume/trainee method of operation. Unfortunately, if you put a green trainee on a job, volume could prohibit proper training by virtue of meeting the various deadlines. I don't see a way around that through.

Education is very important. Back ground and drive are important. The lack of back ground can be overcome with time and drive.

There's a point in here - I'm getting to it. I swear.

As with any facet of education...it's text book learning. They show you how to figure it out and give (in many cases) elementary examples that are "clean" in nature. The knowledge base is there, but applying it to a real life scenario is not just "one step" ahead. If you have a background that's related and have completed the classes, you're closer to having the tools (knowlege) necessary to solve the problem correctly - but it's still not quite there.

Perhaps part of the frustration with taking on a trainee is in recognizing that just because someone has completed 8 classes, they should know how to complete a substantial portion of the report.

I'm not sure that's a realistic expectation. Can they put information in there? Absolutely. The key (art) is knowing what truly is comparable information and what to do with the information. Knowing how to use the information to arrive at a conclusion and conveying your process to the reader (intended user).

And typically, people that are good with numbers are not good at writing. People that are good at writing have some problems with numbers. It's a right brain/left brain thing. It is very hard to find someone that can do both.

So what's a mentor to do? Only hire someone with both education and a solid (related) background?

All I'm saying is that when you hire somebody, you look into their credentials and hopefully you will compensate them accordingly. It's decidedly not fair to hire someone with less credentials and then complain because it takes so much effort to get them to reach your bar.

Obviously, if someone has the education and a solid background their learning curve will be diminished accordingly as they already know what caveats to look for.

Finally, and I can't "see" it now because I'm posting, someone mentioned that in order to truly have a comfort level with the sales comparison approach they would need to research all the sales themselves - all over again.

Maybe my company is set up a bit differently than others but....when I complete my sca, I leave ALL the comps in the file from my search. I then organize them from my favorite to least favorite. Previously, I used to take them all to my boss and review the ones I wanted to use and why. Then he would peruse the ones I didn't want to use. If there was a "flaw" he would show me what was better and then explain why. After a few (?) times of that, his adjustments to my comps were fewer and further between.

Just saying that a little extra effort up front can save a lot of effort later.

 

[Cowboy Steve]

Sure Amy! Any trainee or newly licensed appraiser that has the intestinal fortitude to weather the current storm of barriers of entry to this career can join our "support" group. Just by hanging out on this forum shows we're willing learn, tolerate, and appreciate what we can learn from those more experienced in the field. Remember - Being quenched by fire makes the hardest steel. We'll collectively hang in there, and make it.

 

[Stone]

I re-constructed part of your post, Mr. Kirksey. My MAI Supervisor hates it when I re-construct his writings. It seems as though I'm always wrong.

Maybe if you called it what it is, editing, he wouldn't be quite as upset. :icon_wink: