Lawsuit Alleges Appraisal Institute Has Given States Fraudulent Test Results For Years

[Non Sequitur]

I would love to see recertification for every appraiser every 4 or 5 years. I think that’s a great idea. What are the objections to this?

I also like the idea of peer review boards, though I can understand the objections to that one.

Maybe it's a good idea, maybe not. But first things first, define recertification. Does it include retaking full QE or just refresher courses, retaking certification tests or just a test for competency, turning in logs and having work reviewed or no logs/reviews? Or just periodic testing without any required courses beyond CE? What are the standards to be met-prior or current? What happens to industry veterans who don't meet current standards if that's the yardstick, e.g. cert generals who do not have a bachelor's degree? And what would happen to anyone who can't pass the recertification? Probation, extended time to study up, or flat-out tough crap you're out of business? It's all speculation but I would think the president of a national org would have had some details before promoting a possible game changing policy. But that's how national rolls.

 

[glenn walker]

What incoming? No one is being criticized for creating challenging/difficult courses and exams. The criticism is in grading those exams. At the end of the day, is it too much to ask that exams be graded properly and without excuses? Either way, I don't expect the institute and its defenders to change their ways unless they are forced too through legal or regulatory action.

Unless a test is multiple choice it can't be graded with any great accuracy and much depends on the person grading it. My guess is the lawsuit will be dismissed or lost and just to get attension.

 

[Non Sequitur]

Unless a test is multiple choice it can't be graded with any great accuracy and much depends on the person grading it. My guess is the lawsuit will be dismissed or lost and just to get attension.

She's not suing the institute to force accurate grading, she's suing for the harassment and subsequent firing for reporting the issue she was hired to correct.

Back to the testing, isn't the USPAP test multiple choice? And from what I gather (correct me if you see it a different way) the issue is Louisiana may require 70% passing, Texas 77%, Florida 80%, etc. but the institute basically said "screw it" and X% across the board is passing.

 

[glenn walker]

The appraisal swamp keeps regenerating its own, from the ASC to the CRN. how convenient.

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The bigger question is why do you want to be in a profession that you claim is rotton from the top down ? If all the agencies..organizations, banks, GSEs and literally everyone is a crook, it's insane to be part of it. You have no solutions and are a one man protestor.

 

[Mejappz]

The bigger question is why do you want to be in a profession that you claim is rotton from the top down ? If all the agencies..organizations, banks, GSEs and literally everyone is a crook, it's insane to be part of it. You have no solutions and are a one man protestor.

The bigger question is why you spend most of your time trolling practicing appraisers ? Don’t you have anything better to do?

 

[CGinMN]

Maybe it's a good idea, maybe not. But first things first, define recertification. Does it include retaking full QE or just refresher courses, retaking certification tests or just a test for competency, turning in logs and having work reviewed or no logs/reviews? Or just periodic testing without any required courses beyond CE? What are the standards to be met-prior or current? What happens to industry veterans who don't meet current standards if that's the yardstick, e.g. cert generals who do not have a bachelor's degree? And what would happen to anyone who can't pass the recertification? Probation, extended time to study up, or flat-out tough crap you're out of business? It's all speculation but I would think the president of a national org would have had some details before promoting a possible game changing policy. But that's how national rolls.

Make sense to have that conversation. But you can’t have that conversation when everyone freaks out at mention of it.

I’d love to see recertification ever 5 years, basically taking the current edition of the national licensing exam for your license level. You have to pass but you can keep taking it. Make it difficult. Eliminate all mandatory CE except USPAP. Right now CE is a compliance exercise and many of the courses provided offer no real value to BOTG appraisers. There are wonderful non-CE resources out there on YouTube and in books, and eliminating mandatory CE would incentive people to actually learn.

We are going to get to a point where traditional CE offerings cannot keep up with the market. I believe the recently developed PAREA modules demonstrated how to measure a home using a laser. That’s already basically obsolete. Education is going to have to quickly adapt to the changing landscape and if we regulate it and mandate only approved courses then it’s going to be behind the curve. IMO

 

[John Hassler]

AI is definitely going to make people stupid. We are witnessing one of the appraisal profession's largest IQ brains, possibly the largest brain in terms of both volume and processing capability, quickly wither to a paltry median performance.

Maybe you and Claude are spending too much time together?

California Code of Regulation 3329 allows BREA to audit licensees, AMCs, and course providers.

 

[CGinMN]

California Code of Regulation 3329 allows BREA to audit licensees, AMCs, and course providers.

I figured. Probably the case with all states. Nevertheless, prepare to have your intelligence insulted.

 

[glenn walker]

The bigger question is why you spend most of your time trolling practicing appraisers ? Don’t you have anything better to do?

I don't think someone could practice daily in a profession they believed was systemically corrupt from top to bottom with a clear conscience and one they had no hope or way to clean up. At some juncture a witness to corruption becomes complicit in helping keep the corruption going.

 

[Non Sequitur]

Make sense to have that conversation. But you can’t have that conversation when everyone freaks out at mention of it.

I’d love to see recertification ever 5 years, basically taking the current edition of the national licensing exam for your license level. You have to pass but you can keep taking it. Make it difficult. Eliminate all mandatory CE except USPAP. Right now CE is a compliance exercise and many of the courses provided offer no real value to BOTG appraisers. There are wonderful non-CE resources out there on YouTube and in books, and eliminating mandatory CE would incentive people to actually learn.

We are going to get to a point where traditional CE offering cannot keep up with the market. I believe the recently developed PAREA modules demonstrated how to measure a home using a laser. That’s already basically obsolete. Education is going to have to adapt and if we regulate it and mandate only approved courses then it’s going to be behind the curve. IMO

I'm not opposed to starting any conversation, but that isn't what she did. She sent a letter to the AQB out of the blue.

As far as the rest of your post, the conversation would include what other similar licensed professionals are required to do. I'm not aware of any that are periodically recertified but admit that I haven't researched the subject.