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Janet, many different interpretations are possible from the given information... I just wanted to point out another possible scenario

I know Steve, I just couldn't resist throwing my .02 in one more time..... :D :D


And Wes, now that you have an inside track to all of this brainpower , your next real estate transaction will be a cake walk!!!

Let us know when you close...... :beer:
 
Originally posted by Doug Bingham@Dec 19 2005, 03:59 PM
but not sure if you got pogied or not...

Uh, what's pogied? :shrug:
 
Oh boy....I have really mixed emotions about even getting into this but I do want to make a couple of points.

1. It is common IN MY MARKET to use the square footage (lot size) as reported on the public records since, in most cases the appraiser does not get or see a survey.

2. $17,000 in a $360,000 transaction is really a rather insignificant (5%) difference between appraised values. Now to you, it might be substantial but for the appraisers it might not be.

3. If an appraiser is provided with a survey and that survey indicates what the square footage is...he/she should use it. Is there more to the story?

4. If an appraiser discovers he/she has committed an error they are required by the Uniform Standards and most likely by statutes in your state to correct the error.

5. If I was to show you two lots of, say 3+ acres, irregularly shaped and with a stream running through them, could you perceive the size difference? Does your market recognize the size difference?

6. Is a 3.25 acre lot worth more than a 3.0 acre lot IN YOUR AREA?

7. You keep saying you were not well represented. It should not be..."my appraiser" and "their appraiser". All of them should have been impartial and un-biased. They should have performed their appraisals to the best of their ability. Also, this shows..."not all appraisers are equally qualified".

Finally, as mentioned by someone else in this thread...The appraisal is not the final answer in a real estate transaction even though some of us hold ourselves out to be something more than we are. We offer an opinion and those opinions can be quite different.

I truly wish you well.
 
Mike,

You said...

7. You keep saying you were not well represented. It should not be..."my appraiser" and "their appraiser". All of them should have been impartial and un-biased. They should have performed their appraisals to the best of their ability. Also, this shows..."not all appraisers are equally qualified".

Are we suppose to take this that you support the appraiser who came in at the higher value as being the "better" appraiser? Aren't these the type of appraisers everyone is getting down on, the number hitters? Why did the parties like the second appraiser, cause he hit the number that made everyone happy. I can't really believe you support the number hitter?


Bill Baughn
 
With all due respect, Bill, I would hesitate to call an appraiser who happened to be 5 percent higher a number hitter without hard evidence. Even if there was some evidence (and none has been provided in this thread) would you as a reviewer consider a 5 percent difference of opinion worthy of rebuke?
 
Originally posted by Bill Baughn@Dec 30 2005, 05:57 AM
Mike,

You said...

7. You keep saying you were not well represented. It should not be..."my appraiser" and "their appraiser". All of them should have been impartial and un-biased. They should have performed their appraisals to the best of their ability. Also, this shows..."not all appraisers are equally qualified".

Are we suppose to take this that you support the appraiser who came in at the higher value as being the "better" appraiser? Aren't these the type of appraisers everyone is getting down on, the number hitters? Why did the parties like the second appraiser, cause he hit the number that made everyone happy. I can't really believe you support the number hitter?


Bill Baughn
Hmmm, I certainly had no intention of implying that an appraiser was better IF THEY HIT A NUMBER. Quite the contrary...I was refering to one appraiser taking the time to find the correct lot size. My main point is...there should not be "my appraiser". It's the appraiser in all cases. I think you should re-read my post!
 
"Pogied" is a little more polite, southern term for "taking one for the team", which is a little more polite term for "getting screwed", which is a little more polite term for...... Maybe we better stop there ... ;)

:rofl:
 
Well, to get into this game a little late, I think appraiser #2 was lazy. When I have two sources telling me two different lot sizes, it's time to go look up the deed and draw a plat. And I check the survey against the deed, if it was done after the deed was recorded. (Remember, both surveys and appraisals are *opinions,* and some surveyors are better than others. I've had surveys describe tracts as being 4.65 acres. <--that's "period!" not "more or less." When I plot the survey calls in a CAD program, not infrequently I get a survey that doesn't close, and which disagrees with other sources.

Without seeing the appraisal, of course, I can't express an opinion about the quality of the report. But I can smell a lazy so and so. If he was too lazy to resolve the lot size question, what other shortcuts did he take? Lot size is too easy to check for it to be neglected. This sort of discrepancy in a report sets my reviewer's radar on maximum sensitivity, and gets me to digging. I can well sympathize with Wes's concern about inaccurate statements of fact. That gets me going too.

Wes, lest you read this and decide to get on the warpath about it, my gripe is about the misstatement of lot size, not the value opinion difference. Frankly, the 4.72% difference in value opinions is well within the 5% range considered acceptable by relocation companies. And, from what I've read here, I don't think lot size alone would make a 5% difference in value in most cases. Still gets my hackles up, though, that an appraiser would be that lazy. "Fannie Mae requirement" indeed. Hmmmph.
 
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