• Welcome to AppraisersForum.com, the premier online  community for the discussion of real estate appraisal. Register a free account to be able to post and unlock additional forums and features.

New Home Buyer: Log Home Purchase - Appraisal Concerns

Status
Not open for further replies.
To pave a 1/4 mile driveway can cost $50,000+++.

You will never get a dollar for dollar return when gravel will do. (My driveway is 1,850 ft....and it's gravel....unless I hit the lottery)

I'm curious....how much skin do you have in this deal? In other words, what kind of financing did you secure?

I figured it wouldn't be dollar to dollar but there should be some residual value I would imagine. But excellent points.

The list price was $370k - we settled at $350k with some seller assist. My wife and I are putting less than the conventional 20% down, causing a higher LTV, raising my concerns on the appraisal. We both have exceptional credit (my median is 790s and wife's is over 800) and extremely low dept-to-income ratio so we were able to secure great rates on a 30-year fixed conventional loan even at a lower down-payment.

Not to rain on your parade but just about every lender who wants to make a commission will tell you they are extremely familiar with log homes. Your concerns about the appraisal process are warranted. If I were in your shoes (and I am an appraiser) I would choose a small local bank where I know they don't use an AMC (Appraisal Management Company).

Normally I would completely agree - they are mostly there to benefit themselves and not the borrower so they will say anything. That said the lender we are working with has been featured in numerous log home magazines; providing advice, writing articles, and been ranked as a top lender from log builders. We have been speaking with him for over 2 years as we have been looking for so long. I do feel confident that the lender is probably one of the more qualified ones to handle log homes as that is almost all he focuses on (existing and new construction).

The lender we are working with is also through a large bank and they intend to keep the loan... I tried two local credit unions and while they said they would "love" my business they were upfront that they rarely have luck with log homes mostly because they sell their loans on the secondary market and can never find good comps.. they said it would be in my best interest to go with someone 'more familiar with log homes' unless I could put a significant percentage down.

I am not sure what model was used but I am sure you are right. My understanding, based on conversations with the lender, was that a 'bid' was put out for the appraisal. After about 2 days it was picked up and scheduled for 6 days out. The lender did say that we would be paying more for the appraisal because of it being a log home so hopefully some 'vetting' was done. I just hope that whoever picked it up is familiar with log homes as this one has all the 'bells and whistles', has been properly maintained, and was built by the best log home builder in the area. The seller will be on the premise during the appraisal and I am sure he will talk to the appraiser as he is very attached to the home and takes great pride in it... so if any questions arise he would be able to provide input (not sure if that is common or not).
 
Last edited:
One final thought.......... 1,800 gallon pond? Your pool is going to have ~12,000 gallons of water. An 1,800 gallon pond would be about the size of a small bathroom. :)
Yeah, it isn't big by any means - probably 6x5 or even a bit less. It has about a dozen or so fish and some frogs, nothing too elaborate.
 
Interesting pdf, gregb.
Interesting thread too.
Don't forget to let us know how it ends, mike5809. :peace:
 
are putting less than the conventional 20% down, causing a higher LTV, raising my concerns on the appraisal.

If you put 20% down then you wouldn't make the appraisal contingent on you buying the house, aka sweating the appraiser to 'hit the number' so it won't cost you money.

You agreed to pay $350k....because you want it....or you could have offered One Million Dollars and put an 'appraisal contingency' in the offer to purchase, giving you a TRUE value for the property and an instant contingent offer that is fair and supported.
 
If there are no relatively recent log home sales that support it, you better pray they are close, but lower due to inferior quality or some reason, and that there are conventional construction sales that are similar or better in quality or other factors that do support it.

What you are asking for is like a predetermined value which is impossible and illegal, basically.

You have to understand that you are very personally attached to and interested in this property.

I wish you the best and that your lender receives a very credible and reliable appraisal.:)
 
Last edited:
If you put 20% down then you wouldn't make the appraisal contingent on you buying the house, aka sweating the appraiser to 'hit the number' so it won't cost you money.

You agreed to pay $350k....because you want it....or you could have offered One Million Dollars and put an 'appraisal contingency' in the offer to purchase, giving you a TRUE value for the property and an instant contingent offer that is fair and supported.

Interesting thoughts - in an ideal world that would be a great approach. I do think that if the lender wants to calculate risk on the loan, the value should be based on the true value, not what one person is willing to pay... so in that scenario the appraiser shouldn't know the purchase price (but they should be 100% familiar with the type of home they are appraising). However, due to how quickly log homes sell in the area we wanted to expedite the offer and contract as quickly as possible. I know the value is there, if you take what it would cost to build the home new ... talking with a few log home builders the estimate is that the home would cost $375-$400k turn key, minus land/driveway/pool. But I know that really doesn't mean anything for the appraisal and take into account actual market value. That said, if the house doesn't appraise for some reason it still is a financial hit to us by a few thousand (fees, appraisals, inspections, etc.) - so we aren't getting away unscathed if that happens.

All we can do I guess at this point is wait and see. This week will be nerve wracking for us!

If there are no relatively recent log home sales that support it, you better pray they are close, but lower due to inferior quality or some reason, and that there are conventional construction sales that are similar or better in quality that do support it.

It depends how 'close' - within 1 mile and 12 months, no. One did sell 2 months ago which is less right at 4 miles away. It is bigger by about 400 sq feet and has 2 additional acres but sold for $70,000 more ... so if that can be used as a comp then I would think we should be fine. Assuming they had a mortgage on that home they would have had to go through the same process as we are so that makes me feel better.

Many other log homes have sold within a year but most of them are 15-20 miles away, most of which would be favorable to us and support the value of this home. If that radius is too far then I assume more conventional homes/craftsman style homes will have to be used for the other two with adjustments.
 
What you are asking for is like a predetermined value which is impossible and illegal, basically.

I don't understand, what is 'illegal' about anything which I have said?
 
Interesting thoughts - in an ideal world that would be a great approach. I do think that if the lender wants to calculate risk on the loan, the value should be based on the true value, not what one person is willing to pay... so in that scenario the appraiser shouldn't know the purchase price (but they should be 100% familiar with the type of home they are appraising). However, due to how quickly log homes sell in the area we wanted to expedite the offer and contract as quickly as possible. I know the value is there, if you take what it would cost to build the home new ... talking with a few log home builders the estimate is that the home would cost $375-$400k turn key, minus land/driveway/pool. But I know that really doesn't mean anything for the appraisal and take into account actual market value. That said, if the house doesn't appraise for some reason it still is a financial hit to us by a few thousand (fees, appraisals, inspections, etc.) - so we aren't getting away unscathed if that happens.

All we can do I guess at this point is wait and see. This week will be nerve wracking for us!



It depends how 'close' - within 1 mile and 12 months, no. One did sell 2 months ago which is less right at 4 miles away. It is bigger by about 400 sq feet and has 2 additional acres but sold for $70,000 more ... so if that can be used as a comp then I would think we should be fine. Assuming they had a mortgage on that home they would have had to go through the same process as we are so that makes me feel better.

Many other log homes have sold within a year but most of them are 15-20 miles away, most of which would be favorable to us and support the value of this home. If that radius is too far then I assume more conventional homes/craftsman style homes will have to be used for the other two with adjustments.

The mileage may or may not make a difference. It depends, but distance by itself may or may not be a factor.
 
I don't understand, what is 'illegal' about anything which I have said?

You obviously have a predetermined value in your mind which is not illegal for you but is illegal for an appraiser.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Find a Real Estate Appraiser - Enter Zip Code

Copyright © 2000-, AppraisersForum.com, All Rights Reserved
AppraisersForum.com is proudly hosted by the folks at
AppraiserSites.com
Back
Top