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The term on our end isn't "user desires". It's "meaningful and not misleading" to intended users, that phrase conveying a completely different meaning and intent than "made as instructed". Meaningful and not misleading speaks to the expectations for the development and reporting criteria of the work being provided, whereas "user desires" connotes a predetermined and directed outcome. These are very different concepts from one another.



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And "user desires" will always favor increased commerce over fiduciary responsibility because they're all playing casino with other people's money. "User desires" to eliminate & constrain independent valuations pose systemic risk to our entire financial system and must be constrained.
I fully agree with you. That is why I dispute the notion that if half-assed, unsupported appraisals are fully acceptable across the spectrum of users, that should be the level of accountability all appraisers should be held to, and should, in fact, aspire to achieve.

I saw the clear potential for AVMs in 1989 when my task for almost a year was modeling market data for property taxes. We had all the data. Even then, the areas with good and plentiful data were remarkably well valued. The fringes, not so much. Frankly, I am surprised the cookie cutter stuff hasn't been wholly AVM since long ago.

I am not advocating all AVM all the time, both because, as you suggest, thieves will steal, but also because, just like they won't pay enough to engage competent appraisers in the subject market for most reviews, they won't pay to accurately model the challenging markets. But there is a vast playing field between all Appraisers and all AVMs. I think there is a sweet spot within that gulf that could accomplish most missions.

But, as long as Appraisers as a group think they are smarter than everyone else, and believe that , as a group, they can't and have no need to up their game, I would bet on the AVM in the final outcome. Of course, 70,000 Appraisers might suddenly band together and gain the attention of policy makers and convince them to act against the desires if those who finance their campaigns.
 
All that circles back to the relevance, significance and utility of data qualification. Up until recently the AVMs were at a marked disadvantage to what an appraiser can do because we could qualify and refine our data in that manner and the AVMs couldn't. But now with the onset of the PDCs, if their performance evolves to a usable level then the appraisers will lose the advantage there, too.
 
The term on our end isn't "user desires". It's "meaningful and not misleading" to intended users, that phrase conveying a completely different meaning and intent than "made as instructed". Meaningful and not misleading speaks to the expectations for the development and reporting criteria of the work being provided, whereas "user desires" connotes a predetermined and directed outcome. These are very different concepts from one another.



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And I fully support those notions. I just see little commitment among appraisers (as a whole, not you or me, or any one individual) and users for upholding most principles.

And I fully agree with your statements regarding limits based on the quantity and quality of available data. That hasn't changed over the past 5 decades. But there are ways to gauge how important those limitations are, and people without any appraisal acumen are finding ways to deal with those obstacles at an increasing pace.

I am fully aware there are different approaches to skinning this cat, each that can achieve what I would view as reliable results. But if the perception that appraisers are being replaced with myriad solutions in a growing percentage of cases is real, it seems that, collectively, that result is not being achieved by appraisers on the whole.
 
They may not be saying so directly but there are some appraisers who effectively ARE asserting that an appraisal can be more precise than the data used therein. Meaning, appraisers can be smarter than the market.

Matter of fact, every time you push back against "what is" in these transactions vs what you think "should be" in the market that's also an example of what I'm talking about. Maybe not in terms of precision but certainly in terms of our assertions of what MV is/isn't.

Let the data speak.
DEFINITION OF MARKET VALUE: The most probable price which a property should bring in a competitive and open (continues)

Our job per the MV definition is an opinion of the most probable price which a property SHOULD bring - yet you assert the opposite? It is not our personal feelings about what the property should bring, it is what the appraisal development reveals it should bring - which of course comes from the data .

The data speaks, but we are not supposed to just mirror it back, are we? If all we do is parrot back the data, what are we hired for ? We are hired to analyze the data through the lens of market value - hg
 
It's "meaningful and not misleading" to intended users, that phrase conveying a completely different meaning and intent than "made as instructed". Meaningful and not misleading speaks to the expectations for the development and reporting criteria of the work being provided, whereas "user desires" connotes a predetermined and directed outcome.
"Meaningful" is too subjective, soon to be verboten.
 
Let the data speak! Yep, and I own too many books and other informational media in too many forms to ingest if I did nothing but for the rest of my life. I very much want to know what each says. But when I look at a pile of them and demand, "What do you say?", the following silence is deafening! Even when I INSIST they say nothing. I find my spreadsheets and databases packed with data equally indifferent. It turns out, somebody or something has to act÷...all those reprobates who need to speak won't.

But glib phrases and meaningless "standards" don't really serve much purpose outside an internet forum. Meanwhile, users have concluded in significant numbers to let the data speak to them without the benefit of appraiser interpretation or misinterpretation. Those users have spoken about what is, and what is not, meaningful to them.
Those users just want to greenlight deals, that;s all. It is corrupt imo to entrust the lender with valuing their own deals but that is what a WAIVER does - the loan officer or lender's value estimate IS the property value (provided it falls within a fannie or Freddie AVM range )

The profiteers wanted to remove the speedbump of an appraisal. /Nothing laudable about it.
 
They may not be saying so directly but there are some appraisers who effectively ARE asserting that an appraisal can be more precise than the data used therein. Meaning, appraisers can be smarter than the market.

Matter of fact, every time you push back against "what is" in these transactions vs what you think "should be" in the market that's also an example of what I'm talking about. Maybe not in terms of precision but certainly in terms of our assertions of what MV is/isn't.

Let the data speak.
They may not be saying so directly but there are some appraisers who effectively ARE asserting that an appraisal can be more precise than the data used therein. Meaning, appraisers can be smarter than the market.

Matter of fact, every time you push back against "what is" in these transactions vs what you think "should be" in the market that's also an example of what I'm talking about. Maybe not in terms of precision but certainly in terms of our assertions of what MV is/isn't.

Let the data speak.
Maybe for the MARS person here-
I do not believe other appraisers mean that - I still dont' get teh derogatory smarter than the market comment . Eitehr we do what we are hired to do or we do not. And like it or not, the MV definition is what a property SHOULD bring, yet you objected to an appraiser developing that very thing, what a property should be ( bring) -

Doing our job does not mean we are saying we are smarter than the market, it means we are hired for a certain level of expertise - - are we supposed to be dumber than the market? I don't get it.
 
DEFINITION OF MARKET VALUE: The most probable price which a property should bring in a competitive and open (continues)

Our job per the MV definition is an opinion of the most probable price which a property SHOULD bring - yet you assert the opposite? It is not our personal feelings about what the property should bring, it is what the appraisal development reveals it should bring - which of course comes from the data .

The data speaks, but we are not supposed to just mirror it back, are we? If all we do is parrot back the data, what are we hired for ? We are hired to analyze the data through the lens of market value - hg
I don't know how you do it, but you somehow managed to highlighted the wrong clause. Again. The shorthand of that definition is:

DEFINITION OF MARKET VALUE: The most probable price.

Everything else that comes after that is an elaboration of the primary concept and serves to establish the various assumptions which together comprise the hypothetical sale to which the "most probable price" could occur. Moreover, they couldn't very well use a different term such as "will bring" instead of "should bring" there because that would indicate to more certainty than we assert, and would therefore be a contradiction insofar as the hypothetical sale the definition is referring to.
 
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"Credibility" has to be the lowest bar among all standards ever devised by humans, and is essentially untested in the appraisal world because no one will pay to compare the result to reality. Anyone can write a credible report completely lacking in veracity, and since the practical application of "credible" has become, "can we make the loan?", there really is no standard in that. You simply cannot reconcile the "most probable" aspect in the definition of market value with the lack of complete lack of value in "credible" results as "supported", our other non-existent standard of quality. The clear result is that the bulk of lending valuations will soon be conducted outside the toothless/useless/worthless auspices of USPAP and the existing licensing and regulatory bureaucracy.
The practical application of credible has not become "can we make the loan"=

the corrupt market for a valuation though, be it appraisal or other valuation, is can it make the loan.
 
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