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The End of *most* Full Time Appraiser's ?

If they bring in the new forms (which is doubtful now with the GSEs getting slashed) many will quit.

Pretty sure my mentor is one of them. Mentioning the new forms to him when announced triggered a meltdown and haven't been able to discuss it since.

We have been around thru the golden age of appraising. We know the true end now. Not sure about the vulnerable newer appraisers knowing the current danger.

Agree. There may one last hurrah, but it won't be anything like those of the past. Always expected a peter-out decline but can't rule out a cliff coming
 
But, also have gone back to flip fix, too boring to sit home all day long doing nothin.
Are you involved in the rehabbing or do you hire a crew?

I've been doing some remodeling at the primary residence, then our rental became available and had to rebuild the storage shed. I've always enjoyed fixing or making something better....these days though, my body is not finding the joy in too many projects at once.

Always wanted to do a fix and flip but never could find the property with the right margin to make it worthwhile here in Cali.....even the dumps were outrageously priced
 
To do it right depends on your time for it and profit. Using a general contractor will add 20-30% cost for their use. But, a good contractor is worth what ever if your involvement is minimal

I would like to do 1 a month, so i can be the general contractor using the same crews. You also can lose profit by underestimating the costs.

But doing a couple a year can be easier than appraising. I would suggest the lower end market, to start, in whatever neighborhood you are near to. Rehabing is like appraising. Looks easy, but you have to know a bit about everything involved from start to finish.

You have the opportunity to make a lot of money, or die from a heart attack. From my experience.
 
If you are strictly a bank/lending/refi/purchase/AMC appraiser, gone are the days of working noon till 3pm in shorts and flip flops and walking the back 9 in the afternoon. If you want to survive, you will work 7 days a week, 10 hour days and you will write off 75% of your income so you won't pay taxes.

Your cert is good for many job opportunities, but you will have to wake up at 630am and work in an office for a couple days a week and do payroll. Lots of jobs out there, you just have to show up every day with shoes on.
 
====== Part I
Most homes start off as rather conforming subdivisions, where there are plateaus of models with about the same features and quality. Homes in such plateaus have about the same price, perhaps varying a bit on location. But as time passes, some homes are taken better care of than others, some get upgrades or remodeling every so many years, some don't, and then they start to diverge from specific models into an almost endless variety. Appraisal keeps getting more complex - and that is where we are at today - as no time in the past. To get away from subjective, fly by the seat of pants estimations of market values on specific features you do need to get into non-parametric regression such as MARS. But it produces complex models that are difficult to communicate to laymen or even real estate attorneys and judges. That kind of communication, to be effective, requires a tool set founded in R or Python graphics. You shouldn't be surprised to find MAIs and SRAs very good at generating graphics with R.

- But now you are getting into the very high end of appraisers - and even they have their limits. Many can do the graphics but tend to stick to parametric and simple statistical methods such as cluster analysis and at best multi-linear regression.

A good appraiser capable of being an Expert Witness should know:

1. Data-mining, e.g. non-parametric statistics.
2. Skill at communicating relationships and patterns through graphics.
3. Skill at communicating with professionals such as real estate attorneys and judges, - and possibly, heaven forbid, juries.
4. Plus many other things - such as simply being able to explain the reason appraisers are needed over real estate brokers.
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So, there is that. And another big problem is that good appraisal requires more time and money than a CMA or BPO.

Part of the reason we have Appraisal Organizations such as the AI is to explain these things to the public and market Appraisal so that appraisers get paid reasonable fees for their time.

And it seems all these organizations do is try to find less qualified individuals to work at lower fees.

So, why should appraisers pay into these organizations? It should be the mortgage brokers and lenders paying their fees and they should rename their organizations to something else, I had better not

===== Part II: "Financial Engineering". (or more specifically for appraisers "Valuation Engineering")
1. Financial Engineering (of which the newer field of Valuation Engineering is a specialty of) will become more dominant in the future. Anybody who wants to become an advanced appraiser or "Valuation Engineer" should think about getting a degree in Financial Engineering (MFE - Master of Financial Engineering) is a highly sought after degree:


2. The equivalent certification is 'CFA' which I am sure you have heard of.

3. Besides Python, most Financial Engineers also know C++ because they write complex programs in fast C++. Rust is also used. R is still good as well - and R uses a lot of C++ libraries as well. Some would be surprised to know that R is often faster than Python, primarily because of a plethora of C++ packages written for R.

4. There are Financial Engineers that do high level valuation that uses very advanced statistics, who are not licensed appraisers. What they do is often way beyond what any appraiser would understand. Their end product is typically high quality, and they likely consider USPAP superfluous and unimportant.

5. That's the way things are going. You can certainly find differences of opinion. But, some organizations are more concerned about "the real thing" - rather than some, for them, meaningless stamp of approval, that in the end guarantees very little of what they need.
My question for you is who are you marketing this too? I've sold advanced statistics packages on market data and it does pay well but it is a small market in my area. I've done a few for the State of Michigan and a few for a local county.
 
My question for you is who are you marketing this too? I've sold advanced statistics packages on market data and it does pay well but it is a small market in my area. I've done a few for the State of Michigan and a few for a local county.

He is marketing it to nobody. Nobody wants that. And according to him anybody that doesn't want it is an idiot. Lol
 
Nobody is going to be in appraiser if they have to go to an office or sit in front of a computer for eight hours. The draw to this profession was always -
1- working for yourself and 2- splitting time between field and office. If they’re taking all of that away, no one’s is joining. Not too much thought was put into the bastardized concept of modernization.
 
That is not true because there are a lot of appraisers that are not fee appraisers. I wouldn't mind a corporate role if it was stable, paid well, and there was opportunity for advancement.
 
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That is not true because there are a lot of appraisers that are not fee appraisers. I wouldn't mind a corporate role if it was stable, paid well, and there was opportunity for advancement.

Sure, they’ll always be a few, but the vast majority of residential appraisers get into this for independence. That word doesn’t mean much anymore, but you’re only going to attract bottom of the barrel folks unless you’re paying six figures. the only staff appraisers I know that make that kind of money or commercial MAI guys working at major financial institutions. Those aren’t the kind of high achieving people the GSE are looking for.
 
Nobody is going to be in appraiser if they have to go to an office or sit in front of a computer for eight hours. The draw to this profession was always -
1- working for yourself and 2- splitting time between field and office. If they’re taking all of that away, no one’s is joining. Not too much thought was put into the bastardized concept of modernization.
I concur with this. The autonomy of being an appraiser to me, was a big part of what it was all about. Even when I worked at a fee shop, I was in and out the door and not chained to the desk.

I enjoy the home inspection, even though some borrowers or Realtors can be a p.i.t.a., most of the time everything goes smoothly. Additionally, in delineating the neighborhoods you can really see the changes from different tracts and sections of the market area.

To me, the field work of inspecting the subject property and neighborhood is a critical aspect of forming an opinion of value.

I suppose if you're an introvert you wouldn't mind working at a desk all day. But in my opinion, you're missing out on the critical part of the appraising process.....and your freedom to get out and about...
 
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