This Won't end Well for Germany

[George Hatch]

Just the fact that both sides think changing the level of due diligence on voter security might alter the outcome of elections is....self explanatory.

 

[Mike Ault]

Just the fact that both sides think changing the level of due diligence on voter security might alter the outcome of elections is....self explanatory.

Due diligence or further entrenching racist discrimination?

 

[George Hatch]

So you also agree that requiring people to show their ID when they vote might change the outcomes of some elections. Noted.

 

[Mike Ault]

No, it has been widely acknowledged (even by the DOJ) that these new policies will disproportionately affect CITIZENS of color. And it's being accomplished by "useful idiots" for Vladimir Putin.

 

[George Hatch]

The same citizens who already have and use their IDs in their day-to-day? Or are we talking about some hypothetically significant number of citizens who don't have ID? Sufficient in numbers to change the outcome of elections.

How many is that number, and for which reasons do blacks comprise a disproportionately larger number of those citizens? After all, there are more white ex-cons than black ex-cons. More elderly/infirm whites than blacks; more mentally incapacitated whites than blacks. More rural whites than blacks. Stop me when you can identify the group where blacks outnumber everyone else.

 

[Mike Ault]

The same citizens who already have and use their IDs in their day-to-day? Or are we talking about some hypothetically significant number of citizens who don't have ID? Sufficient in numbers to change the outcome of elections.

Are we going to have to discuss voter ID requirements state-by-state? I don't believe Republicans are going to be satisfied until we all have our SSN's tattooed on our foreheads. How about the concept of having state governors decide the locations of polling stations & drop boxes? They seem to have a propensity for disadvantaging people with disabilities and counties of color. Why are Republicans not demanding national standards for things like that? Is it because they don't want any federal officials involved when they count the votes?

 

[George Hatch]

So isolate those elements and write federal legislation for each one individually. Mandate a minimum number of polling places per census tract, centralized in that census tract relative to its population. That's a fair solution, right?

 

[Mike Ault]

So isolate those elements and write federal legislation for each one individually. Mandate a minimum number of polling places per census tract, centralized in that census tract relative to its population. That's a fair solution, right?

And mandate a federal ID to be used when voting. And have "voter liaisons" making sure that all eligible voters get one. If we have to hire 5 million people to get that done then hire them. We cannot abandon our electoral system to the wolves.

 

[George Hatch]

Oh, so you consider the integrity of the the state-issued ID systems to be inadequate? If you say so. I mean, it is true that the states aren't actively seeking the people on the fringes of society out to put a number on their forearms, so there's that.

Show us on the doll where that big mean DMV did you wrong.

BTW, big difference between expecting people to make their own choices about whether or not to opt into political participation vs stamping numbers on people regardless of their preferences. So I'd call that argument a red herring.

 

[Mike Ault]

Oh, so you consider the security of the the state-issued ID systems to be inadequate? If you say so. I mean, it is true that the states aren't actively seeking the people on the fringes of society out to put a number on their forearms, so there's that.

BTW, big difference between expecting people to make their own choices about whether or not to opt into political participation vs stamping numbers on people regardless of their preferences. So I'd call that argument a red herring.

I don't trust the machinery in charge of the state issued ID systems. Frequently such offices exist but they are so insufficiently staffed as to discourage applicants. My "sentient cowboy hat" of a governor is crafting all sorts of schemes to influence the next election as others are sure to and we need federal oversight over such machinations, wouldn't you agree?