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Where Do You Think "geographic Competency" Begins And Ends?

I am capable of *competently* completing an appraisal assignment on a "typical" SFR even if

  • I've worked in the community before but have never worked in this particular neighborhood

    Votes: 30 52.6%
  • If I've worked in this County before but have never worked in this community

    Votes: 29 50.9%
  • If I've worked in this region before but never in this County

    Votes: 21 36.8%
  • If I've worked in this state before but never in this region

    Votes: 12 21.1%
  • I am capable of figuring out a typical SFR property almost regardless of where it is.

    Votes: 35 61.4%

  • Total voters
    57
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I accept responsibility for what I've done. I've never taken a trainee on, so I'm not responsible for the competition levels you face. Aside from holding up my own end in my own assignments, all I ever did was teach and develop courses to help appraisers move forward. I ain't apologizing for that.

If you want to blame someone, you can blame a couple of the loudmouths who are bitter now because the puppy mills they were running weren't a long term plan for them.

How about you - have you ever taken a trainee on?

Your students were so capable that we have a competency problem and there is no reason to increase qualifications. Great job. Go pat yourself on the back.
 
I gotta tell you this qualifications issue and action, and the people advocating for lower qualifications really sent me over the edge.
 
I have no idea if the issue would have come up, lots of topics come up here. What I am saying is the poll should have been upfront that the timing of the poll meshes with the push for fannie to approve and lenders to accept bifurcated, and that the topic for poll was discussed with chief appraiser of an AMC.

I did not follow the Zaio program issue, old history and imo drifting over to that is off topic .

No, the ZAIO story is completely on point in a discussion about the effects of technology being leveraged by appraisal companies. And it illustrates my point *perfectly* that your competition is also trying to leverage technology.
 
Your students were so capable that we have a competency problem and there is no reason to increase qualifications. Great job. Go pat yourself on the back.

You realize we're talking about incumbent appraisers, right? People who already had the license and who were attending the courses I was teaching in order to maintain your license. I am in no way responsible for their QE instruction, how well their supervisors trained them, or the contents of the licensing exams that they passed.

Why do I participate on this forum in the manner I do? In large part to contribute what I can to the crowdsource.
 
You realize we're talking about incumbent appraisers, right? People who already qualified to get the license and who were attending the courses I was teaching in order to maintain your license. I am in no way responsible for their QE instruction, how well their supervisors trained them, or the contents of the licensing exams that they passed.

Why do I participate on this forum in the manner I do? In large part to contribute what I can to the crowdsource.

Great contribution ending your career pushing for lower qualifications and watering down importance of local expertise. Thank you for your service.
 
C'mon now, don't be bitter. It's unattractive.

I'm not the one who's quitting here, friend. I don't have problems competing in the market. I'm 2 weeks out like normal. I really shouldn't have spent this much time in this thread because I'm having problems with my deadlines. I'm on zero medications, I have no chronic health issues, no mobility issues, and I'm not burned out on the work. Depending on how I age I might have another 20 years in front of me in this business.
 
No, the ZAIO story is completely on point in a discussion about the effects of technology being leveraged by appraisal companies. And it illustrates my point *perfectly* that your competition is also trying to leverage technology.

The only reason companies try to "leverage technology" is so they can make a lot of $ with it- often at the expense of others or at the expense of public trust. We all can take any positions we want, but I notice you consistently ignore the impact AMC and bundled fee provision has- you blame it on puppy mills ( gone for years now) and taking on trainees. Unless someone did a lousy job with a trainee, nothing wrong with taking a trainee on ( though few do now on res side ).

Regarding trainees, every field and profession has newbies entering it each year , graduating from schools or apprenticeships result is other professions have has an ample supply to an over supply of professionals - difference is, their fees are not severely impacted by regulation and third party interests on large scale.

If the ONLY way appraisers can deal with the fee issue is have an under supply, that comes with its own set of problems and of course lenders don't want that either - note lenders and AMC's seized on the shortage of appraisers in the COW states to push for agenda of reduced entry/training, use of bifurcated /other.

Let's please not get into the red herring argument of supply and demand impacting fees, anyone can see typically the fees pad for regular GSE appraisals are vastly different among direct order lender work and VA vs AMC orders, inr the same regional areas with the same number of appraisers ( supply of appraisers )

You can take the stance that it is all due to puppy mills and trainees entering in past years, which is okay on the face of it, but you have shown a consistent denial of AMC fee split model as the main contributor. It goes without saying that AMC is a shorthand term that also includes lenders benefiting $/costs from bottom feeder AMC or order policies are included. .

If the entries or companies with lots of influence now want to "leverage technology" to further cut into the appraisal field as far as geographic distance related to assigning and desktop work, it might be only a matter of time before they achieve their goal. The public trust is shown to run a distant second in policy including the many years appraisers ( and others) spoke out to warn regulators/lenders fannie about among other risks, the abuses of mortgage and lender selection of appraisers and value pressure in the boom leading to the crash. We were ignored then and are ignored now, or belittled if we speak out as "whining". History tends to repeat itself.
 
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C'mon now, don't be bitter.

I'm not the one who's quitting here, friend. I don't have problems competing in the market. I'm 2 weeks out like normal. I really shouldn't have spent this much time in this thread because I'm having problems with my deadlines. I'm on zero medications, I have no chronic health issues, no mobility issues, and I'm not burned out on the work. Depending on how I age I might have another 20 years in front of me in this business.

:rof:if you call retirement before 40 bitter then sht i wish I can be bitter more often.

Go ahead and pat yourself on the back for your own success when 90% of the people in your profession are struggling.

You don't give two shts about the appraisal profession. Stop pretending.
 
The bankers run the show. TAF has the impossible task of "representing" both the banking industry and appraisers.

Hmmm ... don't forget NAR ... part of the external group giving direction and input to TAF. All for the good of the appriser and the consumer. :)
 
Though I am arguing with GH here about the poll and some of the issues such as technology,/fees etc I think he has contributed to the profession in education and shares his knowledge here on the board. I think he care about the profession but perhaps does not realize that some of his own views end up, inadvertently, decimating the profession, as is the case of others here who end up arguing against their own economic interests, because they get suckered into defending the ideal of a free market ( when the GSE segment of the appraisal field is not a free market). People here also get vested into the appraisers should not need handouts/ help from the govt - while the AMC's and lenders lobby for, and get, huge "handouts" in the form of regulatory and policy changes that benefit them. Sure, naive appraisers, keep exhorting about not getting govt help while we lobby to get govt regulatory changes that put millions in our pockets by taking money from yours.

If appraisers keep shooting themselves in the foot enable changes that marginalize either the pay or conditions around appraising.

Interesting that RE agents have a huge over supply yet keep on getting big fat commissions averaging 6% for regular old house sales. Think because they are not in a regulatory choke with others hijacking their fees might have something to do with it? ( and don't deflect topic with broker and agent splitting fees, I am aware of that)
 
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