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Wild Fires In LA

Generation of heat is a big part of the underground problem. Heavy loads could literally melt copper or aluminum. You would need to use a very highly conductive wire to reduce heat. You might be able to build concrete trenches to place the wires in but the cost would be enormous as well.
They use either aluminum of copper wire for underground now. Most of it is direct burial cable and the fact that it is not enclosed helps dissipate the heat. But those underground runs have to be limited in length and the number of taps due to load factors.
 
or do these folks forever want to make it seem like it s just coincidence that so many storms, fires, floods, temperatures and extreme weather events are normal
A 19th century journal from a traveler noted that California mountains weren't very visible in late summer because of all the smoke from all the fires. Fire suppression in the 20s and 30s resulted in the growth of overly dense forests and accumulation of debris on the forest floor which has made the fires hotter and bigger. It has nothing to do with climate change and everything to do with the Mediterrain climate of California. And the Santa Ana winds are also a natural phenomenon which exacerbates any fire into a storm. Like the Chinook winds of the Rockies, wind dumps its moisture as it pushes up a mountain and then expands and rushes down the other side of the mountains.

California experienced several large fires in the 19th century, including the Great Fire of Los Angeles in 1889, the San Francisco Fire of 1851, and the first great fire in San Francisco in 1849.​

The Great Fire of Los Angeles in 1889​
This fire burned from the Santa Ana Mountains to Oceanside, destroying over $100,000 worth of timber and pasture.​
The fire was human-made and was preceded by a drought and high winds.​
The Santiago Canyon Fire in 1889​
This fire burned in Orange County, Riverside County, and San Diego County.​
It was possibly the largest wildfire in California's history until 2018.​
The fire destroyed farmers' crops and thousands of sheep.​
The San Francisco Fire of 1851​
This fire destroyed up to three-quarters of San Francisco.​
The fire killed nine people and caused an estimated $12 million in damage.​
 
Prop 13 is not the devil in disguise, and the property taxes for long-time occupants certainly isn't a "pittance". My property taxes are $7000+/yr based on what I paid for the house 10 years ago; if my property taxes increased to reflect current value of my house, they would be about $18,000/yr, and would force me to leave the area. the Prop 13 was created in part to protect long-term residents (neighborhood stability), as well as elderly (like me pretty soon) who cannot keep up with the increased taxes on their fixed SS incomes, which would result in them being virtually cast out of the community into... where? A mobile home in the desert? IMO Prop 13 is a solid positive good thing here.
But, how many insurance companies would exist it their premiums were based on costs 10 years ago and their expenditures are based on current replacement costs? In the same vein, CA as a whole has an insatiable appetite for huge, new, extremely expensive social engineering programs that in reality are demanded by folks immune to paying for them because their own property taxes won't reflect most of the costs. As always, demand for and cost of something increases when the beneficiary isn't the one paying the bill.
 
CA as a whole has an insatiable appetite for huge, new, extremely expensive social engineering programs that in reality are demanded by folks immune to paying for them because their own property taxes won't reflect most of the costs.
Point taken. And when it costs too much to live there, or the neighborhood gets too dangerous...what do you do? Sell out for big bucks and buy elsewhere for a fraction of the money made, move to Montana or Arkansas. Then go about destroying the local economy by demanding services like they had back in CA.
 
Attacking an individual, be it Newsom or an individual who happens to be a minority for proven incompetence is different than whenever a disaster hits, blanket attacking any or all minorities in a department or job as being part of a DEI hire and thus incompetent -

Still, no proof that a "focus" on DEI hire was ever a department priority for operational efficiency.y
Well they have stated that they want to focus more on having people look like them over someone being able to perform the job.
 
Don't forget that each new sale is the basis for that property's tax bill. So taxes are not repressed throughout the state. Each sale, and there are huge numbers of sales constantly, increases the property tax basis. The ppl that move more frequently are paying current rates on current values. The folks that stay a long time have the benefit of possibly being able to AFFORD to stay in their own homes.

I sold real estate in another state for 25 years, and every 2 years, by law, properties were reassessed to the full current market value, which often priced oldsters out of their paid-for homes and into alternative situations, like gov't supported assisted living, care homes, or their kids' basements. Different places, different solutions.
 
Attacking an individual, be it Newsom or an individual who happens to be a minority for proven incompetence is different than whenever a disaster hits, blanket attacking any or all minorities in a department or job as being part of a DEI hire and thus incompetent -

Still, no proof that a "focus" on DEI hire was ever a department priority for operational efficiency.y
Well they stated DEI was the focus, many people of the wrong skin color and/or gender were flat out turned down.
 
They use either aluminum of copper wire for underground now. Most of it is direct burial cable and the fact that it is not enclosed helps dissipate the heat. But those underground runs have to be limited in length and the number of taps due to load factors.
There's all sorts of expensive technology available for underground lines. The ones going from our powerplant to the copper smelting facility are copper which is encased in piping filled with liquid helium to keep them cool. I believe the distance between the two facilities is only about a mile however, and have no idea what that cost to install or maintain such lines were, but I'm pretty sure it wasn't cheap.
 
There's all sorts of expensive technology available for underground lines. The ones going from our powerplant to the copper smelting facility are copper which is encased in piping filled with liquid helium to keep them cool. I believe the distance between the two facilities is only about a mile however, and have no idea what that cost to install or maintain such lines were, but I'm pretty sure it wasn't cheap.
I realize that there are methods but like you said it is expensive and really not even viable for local distribution lines. What was the reason for going underground for that particular facility. Something had to happen to make them use that approach considering the cost
 
Point taken. And when it costs too much to live there, or the neighborhood gets too dangerous...what do you do? Sell out for big bucks and buy elsewhere for a fraction of the money made, move to Montana or Arkansas. Then go about destroying the local economy by demanding services like they had back in CA.
I think that and the fire problem and others are CA decisions, and the costs should be theirs, too. No decision is made in a vacuum, and only those accountable for their own decisions will become routinely sound decision makers.

There is not enough money on the planet to ensure that if we pay for everything, Califonians will stay put (nor any other place). As soon as the word got out, decisions would instantly become less feasible and less effective and simultaneously more costly...an economic death spiral. All of these issues are enabled and promoted and exacerbated by our ever increasing efforts to absolve everyone of all the negative consequences of their own stupidity.

We have choices. People live where they want to, as they should. Just like they enjoy whatever benefits they derive from those choices, they should bear the costs, too. We should shut down FEMA and end all "disaster" programs and let actual costs and benefits align at the local level. I don't get a say in CA policies and should not bear any of their costs. And vice versa.
 
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