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Windows Tablets For Fieldwork

Glad to help WH. BTW, I had a bad link on the Dell Venue Pro 8 article/video earlier. It is now corrected in the post above.


-Randall Garrett-
..Apex Software..

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I bought the Surface Pro 2. Love it. ACI is awful on it. They just can't get the technology down. I don't understand why they are so behind the times. The touch functionality is awful and they obviously are not embracing windows 8, which is awesome.
 
Hi Summer,

Welcome to this thread! Congrats on getting your new Surface Pro 2. We have a few and, of course, a wide array of other devices that are of interest to appraisers. I have not been putting much emphasis on the Surface Pro 2 because I (perhaps incorrectly) assumed that most appraisers would not spend what is required to get such a fine device. Hence, I tend to focus more on the "lesser" devices, but I am happy to step up my efforts to include the Surface Pro 2 in the mix going forward. I sincerely hope you will consider sharing your Surface Pro 2 experience(s) with the rest of the readers here. More input from real world appraisers such as yourself would be much appreciated by folks trying to figure out what might work best for them.

I'm trying to stay away from most software type items here except in limited fashion and only as it directly relates to device selection. Additionally, as you may know, I specifically refrain from promoting my own software on this forum and restrict my "Apex" stuff to "How to..." type items. I think folks appreciate that and know they can go to a web site or call a salesperson if they want hype, LOL. That said, I note your other posts regarding a less than satisfactory situation with your sketching needs, so I should ask if you have tried any Apex tablet apps? I mean this to be of help, and not as an attempt to generate a sale. I only care that you are able to use your Surface Pro 2 in a more productive manner, even if it ends being with a product made by someone else.


Regards,


-Randall Garrett-
..Apex Software..

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"Final" items arrived today

My expected keyboard docks for the Dells finally showed up today. They were stuck in transit by some sort of winter storm issues. Sadly, Dell is less than 90 minutes from me and I could have just driven up to get them instead of them shipping it a thousand miles out of the way just because they used FedEx. Anyway, they were shipped to the office and I was not there today (I try to work at home a day or two a week.) I'll get them tomorrow and begin editing/appending my commentary, but it is unlikely that I'll be able to get around to posting pictures until (hopefully) this weekend.

I sincerely apologize for the delays my personal situation has caused those who are waiting for this stuff. In the future, I will work on coordinating with some of my staff as well as some trusted/reliable/objective outside sources on ways to get info to you folks in a more timely fashion. I'll share more of the details as things develop and get firmed up. In the interim, you may see me simply posting more links to decent articles with germane content.

I am also finally able to share info about the new Kindle Fire HDX 8.9. I still can't comment on the wireless 4G portion as it isn't in the public domain yet, but I doubt many reading a Windows 8 thread really care about the new Fire, much less its wireless stuff. Generally, though, my informal tests reveal it to be on par with the other "reviewer" models, and that is to say Excellent. I am only including it here as a "comp" due to the brilliant screen and super light weight. The screen is clearly superior to any "Retina" display in all the meaningful categories, not just a much higher pixel density, but color quality, brightness, glare rejection, etc. Oh, and it is super light, too :-) IF an Android (type) device is of interest to you or your family, my opinion is that you should consider this device, wireless version or WiFi, as appropriate.

[Edit] Oh, and for the Chris "I want a beast" Wagoner types, I intend to cover some of the more interesting "Hybrids" or what is coming to be known as "2-in-1's" but this will come in a later installment. I have purchased some for certain Apex Staffers, so I will wrestle them away long enough to shoot comp pix early on, but the "meat" is best segregated into that category as not everyone wants such devices. I will, of course, include my personal device, but remember that just because it is the one I chose for myself, that doesn't mean that it is necessarily the best choice for YOU. I may be an ex-appraiser, but my daily work scenario is likely different from yours, so I rank certain features higher than you may. The basics, however, are still the same - screen clarity is very important, size/weight are obvious top items and since these are largely capable of being "desktop replacements" for many, the performance vs. battery life plays a big factor. I personally love a superior active pen capability but I also recognize than many of you use Touch almost exclusively. Since my posts are, ahem, sometimes lengthy I tend to favor superior keyboards, too, but for most I suspect that "good enough" is the key factor.


-Randall Garrett-
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Quick/minor update impressions on Dell Venue Pro 11 keyboards

Initial impressions on the keyboards for the Dell Venue Pro 11 are good. They are similar to those for the Surface Pro line in that there are two different models - a "slim" and one that is a little thicker. The primary differences are that both keyboard have keys with some "travel" whereas on the Surface Pro keyboards one is super thin with no travel, while the other does have travel. Their methods for attachment are a little different in detail, but essentially have the same effect of being easy/convenient. The new versions of the MS keyboards are backlit (very nice!) and generally improved in response. The Dell keyboards are not backlit. There is a 3rd (still unavailable) MS variant which adds an auxiliary battery. In order of weight and thickness:

  1. MS Touch keyboard
  2. Dell Slim keyboard
  3. MS Type Keyboard
  4. Dell Mobile Keyboard
These comparisons are somewhat academic, though, since you cannot use them with the Tablet made by the other manufacturer. I'll be putting each through some paces over the coming days and weeks, but after only an initial set of informal & subjective tests I think which one YOU might prefer depends on several factors, but mainly how much you type lengthy documents and how sensitive you are about size & weight. I observe that the MS Touch keyboard actually works better than most might think by just looking at it. One might argue that since we are all getting more and more used to tapping things out via on-screen "virtual" keyboards, the Touch keyboard may feel more "natural" to those types whereas the others have an increasing amount of travel and thus might feel more natural if you are coming off a laptop or traditional desktop keyboard. None of these keyboards reaches the level of a ThinkPad keyboard, but that is true of every other keyboard. The Dell Slim feels like an early Netbook whereas the Dell Mobile feels more like a mid-line UltraBook. I believe I prefer the MS Type for the better feel of the two, but that may simply be because I have spent some time with the previous model and I am more familiar with it, but those looking for a more "notebook-like" experience will likely be drawn to the Dell Mobile. Overall, I think that each manufacturer's thinner keyboard may be the best overall choice for highly mobile users who don't really type long documents on their Tablets with regularity.

Both much the Touch and Slim keyboards are thinner and lighter than their more full-travel Type and Mobile counterparts and make great cover-case type solutions, to boot. With the MS keyboards, the weight and thickness gains are pretty negligible but in Dell's case, the difference in weight is (percentage-wise) substantial due to the extra battery. In my testing of the Dell Venue Pro 11 (Bay Trail), I have not found that having the extra battery is all that necessary since the device tend to be good for 6 - 8 solid hours of hard use (more like 8 - 10 if you are just doing light duty work.) For most, this translates to a full work say of actual computer use in the field. I feel that most should actually consider getting the thinner keyboard and use the extra savings to just throw in a spare car/USB charger in the glove box for those rare times you might need it. I say "spare" because you really should leave the one that the device came with back in your home/office so you don't lose it, LOL. The choice between the MS keyboards is more polarizing since one is Touch and the other has travel. I still think I prefer the Touch because when I really need to do serious typing at a desk, even the Touch/Mobile keyboards are a compromise and I just use a "real" keyboard - wireless or USB as preferred.

I will, of course, take pictures but you really just need to test type on these yourself if you think that aspect is a serious factor for you.

[Edit] Uploaded a few quick pictures hastily taken with my cell phone. Left to right:
  • Dell Mobile vs. Dell Slim
  • MS Type vs. Touch
  • Dell Venue Pro 11 w/Slim vs. MS Surface 2 w/Touch
Hope this helps for now!


-Randall Garrett-
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Putting up SOME pictures today

I was able to get some halfway decent sun today, so I snapped a few pictures outside of a few tablets. Unfortunately, since moving, I still haven't found a single DSLR nor point and shoot camera. I seriously need some time to go through boxes. Anyway, I had to use my cell phone camera to make these shots, but as cell phone cameras go, it is a really good one - arguably the best or next best depending on your take on certain aspects. In any case, the purpose of the shots is not so much the photographic quality as it is about basic visuals. The space allotted here for photo uploads is very limited and I have to balance out these shots with some other images I have uploaded over the years which illustrate certain software tech support items. I've cleared up a little space but I have to keep track of the content and manage it accordingly.

I'll be adding some basic notes with each set in hopes that my thoughts on the various devices will help those who are interested in this stuff.

Look for a few more posts shortly. Each will have to contain simply the top items I have observed from using these devices for the past few weeks (less time on some accessories.)

[Edit] I am posting a single picture here - similar to one posted earlier (which is soon to be removed) - which shows the collection of devices and accessories I brought home with me this weekend. Not all of them will be covered in this thread - some are more appropriate for other user types and some are just for various comparisons.

Regards,


-Randall Garrett-
..Apex Software..

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Lenovo Miix 8 vs. Dell Venue Pro 8

(Note: I lost part of my write-up while editing prior to posting - something that was MY fault - and I tried to get what I could remember put back in before my time expired, since I've had issues here when editing long posts. I apologize in advance for any typo's, awkward grammar and general lack of proper writing.)

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Since the rise in popularity of the 7" - 8" category of "mini-tablets" in both the iOS and Android spaces, I have gotten a lot of email requests to cover the new 8" Windows mini's. I have long been a fan of the 7" Android Tablets as they are big enough to actually get field work done but small & light enough to tote easily. Most of them will fit into the back pocket of standard jeans and a regular jacket pocket, which makes them perhaps more viable during inspections than the larger 10" - 11" Tablets. Once you start getting up around 8 plus inches, that "pocket-ability" factor starts to go away and so does the ability for most to be able to fit them into one hand in "portrait" or "upright" mode. This is particularly true for the very popular iPad mini unless you have NBA-class hands. I have fairly small hands for a 6' tall male (OK, my shoe size is also only 9 1/2 D, and I have already heard "those" jokes, fellas!) so if your hands are larger, you will probably have a little extra leeway on one-handedness if you go for an 8+ inch Tablet. While the iPad mini is a little touch to grip one-handed (slippery), the main issue is caused by the 4:3 aspect ratio - in portrait mode, it is simply wider than the 16:10 aspect ratio found in most Android Tablets. While most of the 10" and larger Windows 8.1 Tablets out now are 16:9, these 8" Tablets are (currently) the (superior IMHO) 16:10 form factor.

These two Tablets are virtual clones of each other with identical core hardware - the excellent Intel "Bay Trail" CPU, 2 GB of RAM, decent graphics (for work stuff - no heavy duty gaming on these), 1280 x 800 resolution, and readily available with 32GB - 64GB of storage. The chipset is the latest 32-bit "Atom" but it is greatly improved from last year's "Clover Trail" CPU. First off, it is a Quad Core vs. Dual Core design and without getting deep into geeky stuff, suffice it to say that they are worthy upgrades from last year's models. They won't keep up with a "full Core i5" (or even Core i3, much less a Core i7) but for what they are, they do remarkably well. There IS another, more powerful "Bay Trail" CPU in the Intel line-up, but nobody is shipping devices with these in them yet. I expect to see those chips in the "Enterprise" class devices sometime in Q1 or Q2 of next year, but those devices may be quite limited and most likely will not be found in "big box" retail shops for quite some time - maybe when the chipset after Bay Trail is starting to ship (?)

These two Tablets both cost right at $300 (less with coupons, sales, etc.) for the base models and about $50 more for the 64 GB models. Each have available microSD card slots, so you can add another (say) 32 GB of storage for about $20, but I recommend the 64 GB models. I strongly recommend using a microSD card in any Tablet that offers a slot (this is a definite weakness in both the iPad and Nexus lines) regardless of the base storage on your Tablet. I've probably covered this too many times to go into, but basically it has to do with being able to save your data on a card in case you destroy it. While on that topic, these lighter tablets are not all that prone to drop damage, but I always recommend an accidental damage policy if you can get it. With these Tablets, they run about $40 for a year of coverage. With the Dell, you can order it through them, but with the Lenovo, it is more of a retailer "add-on" (i.e. "Square Trade") at check out.

So, which one is better? I have a hard time declaring an out and out winner here - each has their own strengths and weaknesses. Both are overall fine machines and I think it comes down to personal preferences. The Lenovo is slightly thinner and lighter, but you could only tell by looking at the numbers - in hand, the differences are negligible. The Lenovo has a slicker, metallic back and sides, where the Dell is grippy (ridged) plastic that feels sort of like rubber. I find the Lenovo harder to pick up with one hand and harder to hold onto. The Dell is simply easier to grasp and seems more sturdy. From a personal experience, each of our Dells have worked great out of the box except that for some reason the Auto-brightness control is flaky - the first thing to do is to disable that function, else you'll think the screen is defective. A software update for this is reportedly in the works, but for now, just turn off Auto-brightness. Speaking of brightness, the Lenovo is definitely "punchier!" (see pix) If you are in a particularly sunny region, this may be a factor for you. I found, however, that they are about equal in legibility in direct sun. I still recommend that folks apply a good anti-glare screen protector (i.e. DayVue) to reduce reflections and distractions on glossy screen devices.

[Edit] I combined the two "in-hand" pictures into one so I could add a "Direct Sun" photo. This is a poor shot and it is not as accurate as I would like. The Dell is not actually that much darker - this is an effect of the cell phone camera, no polarizing, poor photography skills, etc. Being so close, the left image suffers a bit from the effects of the screen treatment. Still, I wanted to put it up so you could see these two units in DIRECT SUN. It may look like they are in a shady area due to my poor skills, but I was just off axis from direct sun reflecting in the Dell. You can see that they ARE usable, just not ideal in this circumstance. Still, the Lenovo is "punchier.

In the end, guess I just feel better overall about the Dell for most appraisers. With my first two Lenovo's, they both had defective power switches and I had to return them for replacements. Even the replacement devices seem to have "mushy" power switches that do not inspire confidence. For this reason, I recommend that if you like the Lenovo better, get it from a local shop like Best Buy, Office Depot, etc. so you can have them open the box and test the power switch before taking it home. I like the ability to get "factory" accidental damage protection coverage and it just feels better, more sturdy in MY hand (YMMV.) Lastly, I like the fact that you can get an optional active pen with the Dell. It is not a Wacom pen, but it is FAR better than those flaky capacitive stylus' offered by some. Even if your appraisal software doesn't support this active pen, it is supported in other apps like the excellent One Note by MS and is a nifty "stylus" if your non-mobile program you loaded hasn't been properly updated yet to a real mobile app. It's not magic, but I think it is worth trying out.

Oops, almost forgot the rear camera thing. The cameras are overall pretty similar in actual quality, but the Dell has a basic flaw IF you use it in Landscape ("sideways") mode. Gripping it normally, your had falls over the lens (I thought mine wasn't working for the first few seconds.) The Lenovo camera is better placed off-center, in a corner. This is not a strong negative on the Dell, however, since I feel that most will use these in Portrait mode. If you are a "Landscape" user, keep this in mind. In the future, I will post sample shots from the cameras IF strongly desired.

Oh, the Red Dell is pretty nice. I did not shoot pix of that for reasons I may have explained earlier, but it IS harder to misplace ;-)


Hope this helps for now!


-Randall Garrett-
..Apex Software..

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LIMITED SALE on Dell Venue Pr 8 - 12/09/2013 only

For the quick & crafty only:

Read a news blurb that tomorrow, 12/09/2013, as part of their "12 Days of Christmas" sale, Microsoft is selling the Dell Venue Pro 8 (32 GB model) for $99 to the first 20 people to buy them from a Microsoft store (brick & mortar) and after those are gone, it'll rise to $199 until their stock is depleted. The Microsoft on-line store has the same $99 deal for the first 100 people to order on-line and then it goes up to $199 until their stock is depleted.

You can read more about it at the link below where they have a link to the MS on-line Store and a way to link to the brick & mortar stores in various locations throughout the country. There is also a link to their own review of the Venue Pro 8. They point out one issue that I did not think was such a big deal - the fact that the "Windows button" is not in the typical location. On the Venue 8 Pro, it is a physical button on the top/right edge when in portrait mode and on the left/top edge when in landscape mode.

Here is a link to the article: http://tinyurl.com/m368r7b


Happy hunting!


-Randall Garrett-
..Apex Software..

PS - I have a few more pictures (MS Surface Pro vs. Dell Venue 11 Pro) ready to go up, but I am going to wait until tomorrow to post them so this and the related post will show as "newest", and thus be noticed by more people.

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Quick update. I am finally finished with extraneous meetings for a while, so I hope to put up the Surface vs. Dell Venue Pro 11 stuff tonight. Will be working from home tomorrow, so if I get home late, I will shoot for tomorrow if I can successfully avoid the majority of my "Honey Do" items ;-)


Regards,


-Randall Garrett-
..Apex Software..

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Dell Venue Pro 11 vs. MS Surface Pro

Pending putting up written thoughts, etc. - just posting a couple of pictures that I took last week for now.

First picture is in Partial shade on a sunny day. Each device has their slimmer keyboard accessory attached.
Second picture is in full, direct sun. Each device has their thicker keyboard accessory attached.
In each case, the Dell is on the left and the Surface Pro is on the right.
I purposely used different keyboards on each shot, for a little variety ;-)

More later...


-Randall Garrett-
..Apex Software..

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