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Windows Tablets For Fieldwork
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Randall Garrett
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OK, limited connection here, but I will try to upload a few photos I took yesterday. At present, I am having difficulty uploading more than one image at a time...
Here are two of the devices recommended for the particular client we were training. I simply tossed them down haphazardly and they landed like this. Folks around me were shocked and as my "photo shoot" played out*, they became more and more curious. People new to the gathering crowd were saying things like "Oh, man! That sucks... Looks like your iPads are toast!" Ha!
*More on that later. Things did not go exactly as planned... ;-)
-Randall Garrett-
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Here are two of the devices recommended for the particular client we were training. I simply tossed them down haphazardly and they landed like this. Folks around me were shocked and as my "photo shoot" played out*, they became more and more curious. People new to the gathering crowd were saying things like "Oh, man! That sucks... Looks like your iPads are toast!" Ha!
*More on that later. Things did not go exactly as planned... ;-)
-Randall Garrett-
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Here is a shot at the end.
The real "meat" are the ones in the middle and the story of my near-disaster along the way...
The interface(s) shown on this private build of Av6 are not likely the finished versions of what you can expect. It must be tweaked for resolution(s) and some other items. I brought this build to get the customer started on their desktop deployments. Once they select the exact tablets for full deployment (depends on location, department/use, etc.), we'll do the final tweaks.
I'll try to upload more later today, depending on my connection.
-Randall Garrett-
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The real "meat" are the ones in the middle and the story of my near-disaster along the way...
The interface(s) shown on this private build of Av6 are not likely the finished versions of what you can expect. It must be tweaked for resolution(s) and some other items. I brought this build to get the customer started on their desktop deployments. Once they select the exact tablets for full deployment (depends on location, department/use, etc.), we'll do the final tweaks.
I'll try to upload more later today, depending on my connection.
-Randall Garrett-
+Apex Software+
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Here is a shot of me washing off "the Tablet that (almost) got away" (part of the story)...
Yeah, being able to hose it off is definitely a plus in areas like this ;-)
Hard to tell due to glare, use of a cell phone camera and reduced/compressed image, but yes - the tablet was running during all shots, and continues to operate normally. I would be able to be posting with it now if I had a decent internet connection (am having to use another device with a 4G connection ATM.) and, yes, that is my goofy reflected mug, cell phone to face... ;-)
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Yeah, being able to hose it off is definitely a plus in areas like this ;-)
Hard to tell due to glare, use of a cell phone camera and reduced/compressed image, but yes - the tablet was running during all shots, and continues to operate normally. I would be able to be posting with it now if I had a decent internet connection (am having to use another device with a 4G connection ATM.) and, yes, that is my goofy reflected mug, cell phone to face... ;-)
-Randall Garrett-
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About to leave for the airport and killing some time, so I thought I'd upload a few more pix. Still have a crummy connection, so my posts will be (thankfully) shorter than they normally are ;-)
This shot is where I had crammed the tablet into the sand. I had hoped to get a good shot of a wave crashing over the tablet. Previous attempts at stopping it flat into a shallow pool were successful in that the picture was just boring...
I did not frame the shot well, so you can't see that the wave was about 28" - 30" tall... I was hoping to keep my shoes from getting soaked. Yeah, I know - shoulda just removed my shoes. Hey, I'm a Texan, used to boots 'n jeans... ;-)
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This shot is where I had crammed the tablet into the sand. I had hoped to get a good shot of a wave crashing over the tablet. Previous attempts at stopping it flat into a shallow pool were successful in that the picture was just boring...
I did not frame the shot well, so you can't see that the wave was about 28" - 30" tall... I was hoping to keep my shoes from getting soaked. Yeah, I know - shoulda just removed my shoes. Hey, I'm a Texan, used to boots 'n jeans... ;-)
-Randall Garrett-
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OK, so I planned poorly... The wave came in and I realized it was going to break right about where the tablet was embedded into the sand. I scurried back to get a better view (and save my shoes?) and all hell broke loose. I stumbled backward and lost my footing. The shot I took was of a blurry horizon...
When I got up, the tablet was heading out to sea! I scampered after it and managed to get this shot of it heading out, under about two inches of water. I could see that the next wave was coming quickly so I tried to retrieve it ASAP.
Of course, I tripped forward and ended up kissing the sand. The next wave got me, but I managed to keep ahold of the tablet and keep my Lumia 1020 cell phone elevated just enough to keep it from being submerged...
Needless to say, this was pretty much the afternoon's entertainment for those standing nearby...
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When I got up, the tablet was heading out to sea! I scampered after it and managed to get this shot of it heading out, under about two inches of water. I could see that the next wave was coming quickly so I tried to retrieve it ASAP.
Of course, I tripped forward and ended up kissing the sand. The next wave got me, but I managed to keep ahold of the tablet and keep my Lumia 1020 cell phone elevated just enough to keep it from being submerged...
Needless to say, this was pretty much the afternoon's entertainment for those standing nearby...
-Randall Garrett-
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Here is a less "exciting" shot I took once I finally figured out a better distance - about 5' closer inland...
The reduction/compression and glare makes it tough to see , but if you look closely, you can see the Win 8.1 "tiles", including the Av6 one, thus showing that the tablet is powered on and operating...
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The reduction/compression and glare makes it tough to see , but if you look closely, you can see the Win 8.1 "tiles", including the Av6 one, thus showing that the tablet is powered on and operating...
-Randall Garrett-
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Last one for today...
This one is just the follow-up shot from the previous one. The gentle lapping of the water eroded my "planting" and the device fell over. The next tiny "wavelet" washed sand and water over the device. Makes a good shot, but not nearly as exhausting (or humorous) story.
FWIW, unless you need this level of water resistance, I have found that the screen on the HP EP 1000 to be somewhat better in bright, glaring sun. I subjected it to lesser torture as I was tired, wet and ready to go back to my hotel room. I will post some outdoor and "grimy" shots after my return.
Hope this helps for now!
-Randall Garrett-
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This one is just the follow-up shot from the previous one. The gentle lapping of the water eroded my "planting" and the device fell over. The next tiny "wavelet" washed sand and water over the device. Makes a good shot, but not nearly as exhausting (or humorous) story.
FWIW, unless you need this level of water resistance, I have found that the screen on the HP EP 1000 to be somewhat better in bright, glaring sun. I subjected it to lesser torture as I was tired, wet and ready to go back to my hotel room. I will post some outdoor and "grimy" shots after my return.
Hope this helps for now!
-Randall Garrett-
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Minor, "FYI" update.
Battling some sort of "crud" that I must have picked up while traveling back. Doc said it is likely a "48 hour bug" but that was several days ago and I spent the whole time in bed with no energy :-( Hence, I have not been able to get you the extra shots I mentioned and it is feeling like it may be Wednesday before I can get around to doing that…
I have noted, however, that the ProPad 610 (officially, the “HP Pro Tablet 610 G1 PC”) is starting to show up in the HP matrix. When configuring the EP 1000 and the Pro 610 to be as identical as possible - Windows 8.1 64, Intel Z3795, 4 GB RAM, 64 GB eMMC “SSD” and 802.11 a/b/g/n (2x2), Bluetooth 4.0 + LE, the retail price for the Pro 610 is $599 vs. $739 for the EP 1000. The battery for the Pro 610 is 31 WHr vs. 30 WHr for the EP 1000. Additionally, the Pro 610 weighs 1.44 lbs., vs. the EP 1000 at 1.5 lbs.
So, the Pro 610 is running $240 less than the EP 1000 when similarly configured from a “basics” standpoint. The Pro 610 configured is the highest model (currently) listed, where the EP 1000 configured is in the middle of the pack, so to speak. The EP 1000 also offers models with Windows 8.1 64 Pro, a $G LTE option and more storage (128 MB.)
The EP 1000 that I took on my trip was the model priced above, which I obtained from Newegg for $687.99. It is listed there today for $1 less, but all models show “Out of Stock” and there is nothing listed for the Pro 610 except for 3rd party accessories (screen protectors, flip cases, etc.) The amount I paid ends up being more like $89, but we’re comparing “factory retail” vs. discounted on-line merchant pricing. Assuming that the Pro 610 is eventually carried by on-line merchants, I think it is reasonable to project that there may be something like a $150 difference in price. That said, the (factory) accessories for the Pro 610 are far fewer, so keep that in mind – I find that once you get tablets out into your work environment, it is many times the accessories that can make a difference. FWIW, in a mobile environment, I am finding 64 GB to be sufficient but, like you, I would generally order a 128 GB version. Using the HP site matrix, the only way to get 128 GB is to also get a 4G LTE model. They show 2 with this option with the only difference being 64 GB vs. 128 GB storage and the difference is exactly $100 (retail) - $909 vs. $1009. IF we can assume similar discounting as I found with a straight retail purchase, I think we’d be looking at $835 and $927 for the upper-end EP 1000 models with 4G, but I’ll have to wait, shop, etc. before knowing for sure. As retail prices drop, we generally see smaller discounts on contemporary pieces, but It may well be that the "street price" for a comparable Pro 610 is in the $550 range (?)
Anyway, I believe that IF you are considering a device like this, you are better off not dismissing a model based on the 64 GB limit. These are “companion” devices, not laptop replacements. As such, you’re not going to really NEED hoards of data and if you absolutely need more storage space, remember that you can add more via the built-in microSD (SDXC) slot – 32 GB is running $36 vs. 64 GB for $46 for a good SanDisk card.
I am pestering my HP contacts daily for a Pro 610 so that I can directly compare the two units in real “in hand” usage. Once I get one, I’ll report back with my findings, pictures and recommendations. Additionally, I am on the hunt for a retail source for the Lenovo Tablet 10 which is likely to be my (personal) unit of choice, subject to screen performance, etc.
Hope this helps for now...
-Randall Garrett-
+Apex Software+
/end/
Battling some sort of "crud" that I must have picked up while traveling back. Doc said it is likely a "48 hour bug" but that was several days ago and I spent the whole time in bed with no energy :-( Hence, I have not been able to get you the extra shots I mentioned and it is feeling like it may be Wednesday before I can get around to doing that…
I have noted, however, that the ProPad 610 (officially, the “HP Pro Tablet 610 G1 PC”) is starting to show up in the HP matrix. When configuring the EP 1000 and the Pro 610 to be as identical as possible - Windows 8.1 64, Intel Z3795, 4 GB RAM, 64 GB eMMC “SSD” and 802.11 a/b/g/n (2x2), Bluetooth 4.0 + LE, the retail price for the Pro 610 is $599 vs. $739 for the EP 1000. The battery for the Pro 610 is 31 WHr vs. 30 WHr for the EP 1000. Additionally, the Pro 610 weighs 1.44 lbs., vs. the EP 1000 at 1.5 lbs.
So, the Pro 610 is running $240 less than the EP 1000 when similarly configured from a “basics” standpoint. The Pro 610 configured is the highest model (currently) listed, where the EP 1000 configured is in the middle of the pack, so to speak. The EP 1000 also offers models with Windows 8.1 64 Pro, a $G LTE option and more storage (128 MB.)
The EP 1000 that I took on my trip was the model priced above, which I obtained from Newegg for $687.99. It is listed there today for $1 less, but all models show “Out of Stock” and there is nothing listed for the Pro 610 except for 3rd party accessories (screen protectors, flip cases, etc.) The amount I paid ends up being more like $89, but we’re comparing “factory retail” vs. discounted on-line merchant pricing. Assuming that the Pro 610 is eventually carried by on-line merchants, I think it is reasonable to project that there may be something like a $150 difference in price. That said, the (factory) accessories for the Pro 610 are far fewer, so keep that in mind – I find that once you get tablets out into your work environment, it is many times the accessories that can make a difference. FWIW, in a mobile environment, I am finding 64 GB to be sufficient but, like you, I would generally order a 128 GB version. Using the HP site matrix, the only way to get 128 GB is to also get a 4G LTE model. They show 2 with this option with the only difference being 64 GB vs. 128 GB storage and the difference is exactly $100 (retail) - $909 vs. $1009. IF we can assume similar discounting as I found with a straight retail purchase, I think we’d be looking at $835 and $927 for the upper-end EP 1000 models with 4G, but I’ll have to wait, shop, etc. before knowing for sure. As retail prices drop, we generally see smaller discounts on contemporary pieces, but It may well be that the "street price" for a comparable Pro 610 is in the $550 range (?)
Anyway, I believe that IF you are considering a device like this, you are better off not dismissing a model based on the 64 GB limit. These are “companion” devices, not laptop replacements. As such, you’re not going to really NEED hoards of data and if you absolutely need more storage space, remember that you can add more via the built-in microSD (SDXC) slot – 32 GB is running $36 vs. 64 GB for $46 for a good SanDisk card.
I am pestering my HP contacts daily for a Pro 610 so that I can directly compare the two units in real “in hand” usage. Once I get one, I’ll report back with my findings, pictures and recommendations. Additionally, I am on the hunt for a retail source for the Lenovo Tablet 10 which is likely to be my (personal) unit of choice, subject to screen performance, etc.
Hope this helps for now...
-Randall Garrett-
+Apex Software+
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Randall Garrett
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FWIW, the newly announced & shown Surface Pro 3 looks awesome! I like what I'm seeing, but as usual, the proof is in the pudding...
Faster, larger screen, with better (3:2) aspect ratio & higher resolution, thinner (!), good battery life, new accessories...
To be honest, I did NOT know about this new device beforehand. Good job, MS, for thwarting my usual sources ;-)
More info as it is revealed. Still expecting Surface mini...
-Randall Garrett-
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Faster, larger screen, with better (3:2) aspect ratio & higher resolution, thinner (!), good battery life, new accessories...
To be honest, I did NOT know about this new device beforehand. Good job, MS, for thwarting my usual sources ;-)
More info as it is revealed. Still expecting Surface mini...
-Randall Garrett-
+Apex Software+
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