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Windows Tablets For Fieldwork

Bill,

Great idea to stop by and see things with your own eyes, fondle things with your own hands... That said, I recommend you wait at least another week (?) so you can hopefully consider the info I share on the EP900. They are both pretty much identical with respect to the core hardware (as is the item you mention) - the difference is in the execution, and for many, the compliment of accessories & how they work together. The major difference between the TP2 and the EP900 are the aspect ratio (1,366 x 768, 16:9 vs. 1,280 x 800, 16:10) and finish on the screen (glossy vs. semi-matte.) Both are business class devices and capable of withstanding typical appraiser/inspector treatment better than a consumer class device. Here is a link to a short video showing a pre-production model with just one of the accessories - one that I think some would be interested in. The "sleeve" raises the drop protection rating of the device and, of course, adds some ports, but the other thing is that you can add a battery "slice" which adds another approx. 80% battery life. The review says the tablet itself gets 8 hours, but I'm seeing about 10 hours, so I would estimate that it adds almost another 8 hours to the run time. What is not shown is the keyboard dock, another item some will want, nor the regular desk dock. I chose this video in my quick search because it best demonstrates the screen treatment. The real world difference in outdoor view-ability between the TP2 and the EP900 is not dramatic, being that they are business class devices they both have anti-glare treatments which make them somewhat more inspection-friendly than your typical consumer grade tablet, but the anti-reflective, semi-matte treatment tends to cut down on the worst reflections without making the screen look "muddy." The TP2 does well enough (not near 3Qi-level, sadly), better than regular devices, but I live in a mostly sunny environment, and reflections are distracting to me (including desktop screens) so I favor the treatment on the HP screen, not to mention the additional "height" of the 800 vs. typical 768 pixels. With the way most programs are made (menu and status bars), when you are working with smaller screens, any additional height is appreciated more than the extra width (1,366 vs. 1,280.) Do the math and you'll see that the total pixel count is pretty close - the thing is, though, how they are used can make a difference. Again, this aspect ratio is a personal thing - some prefer the wider aspect ratio which is more suited to video than regular programs/applications, IMHO.

HP ElitePad 900 tablet hands on - YouTube

Hope this helps!


-Randall Garrett-
..Apex Software..

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I'll certainly wait with a decision. The HP seems to be sold out everywhere and the sellers with the best prices for the TP2 are all on back order. I'm not in a super rush.

Thanks again for all the help.
 
I just returned from my local bestbuy. No Thinkpad 2 and no HP Elite 900 to play with. I'll have to come back later. I did get to play with the Surface Pro. Very cool machine in my humble, minimally informed opinion. Very expensive but the keyboard has a magnetic catch, there is a kick stand, and it feels great in my hands. Not sure I could justify shelling out $1200 for the 128gb model with a keyboard and case but you never know... Looking forward to checking out the other Win 8 pro machines.

Randall, do you have any opinions on the Surface Pro?

Thanks
 
Bill,

The Surface Pro is an awesome device, especially seeing it is a "Gen 1" attempt. I do not think, however, that the current version(s) are the best fit for most appraisers. The Surface Pro is more of an "executive geek boardroom" device IMHO. I believe that a couple of the better manufacturers offer more compelling designs/implementations for most appraisers. I believe that the "Transformer" type devices - essentially Windows 8 versions of the (say) ASUS Transformer series - offer a better overall proposition, whether it be a Clover Trail based device or Core i5 device. Once you get to the $1,000+ devices, my favorite is the upcoming Lenovo Helix (delayed to mid-March.) It should run near $1,500 in Core i7 trim and a couple hundred less for the more practical Core i5 version(s.) If one likes a "convertible" type (laptop with a flip-around screen), the Dell XPS 12 is surprisingly good, especially seeing that the previous model was such a dud. Overall, though, for real world appraisal duty I still lean toward the business class devices from Lenovo and HP for their increased durability and function over form design. ASUS and Samsung are pretty good for lighter duty, in that order of general preference. The big decision points for "today" are - How much "heavy lifting" do you need while mobile (Clover Trail or full Intel Core iX) and do you want/need active pen or is Touch only good enough? Beyond that, most other items are a matter of personal preference. Substantial CPU changes are due this summer, so by the end of this year, we'll see "Gen 2" devices with better price/performance profiles, not to mention more software that is better optimized for mobile use. Four-to-six months ago, I was saying "Wait!" but today I am saying that there are now devices on the shelves which can effectively be used in the field - some better than others, but all are a far cry from what was being dumped on the market last summer. So, if one wants/needs to go mobile in a full Windows environment, it is not possible without breaking the bank. If you buy now, you are not in a bad position and you can live with these recommended devices, skip the early releases of the next gen and take a look at things 12 - 14 months from now and see IF an upgrade makes economic sense.

Sorry for the poor wording above.


Hope this helps!


-Randall Garrett-
..Apex Software..

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Maybe a bit of an uninformed purchase, but I went ahead and picked up a Microsoft Surface Pro. So far, though, I am finding little not to like about it. At first it seemed a bit unwieldy compared to the I-Pad we have around the house. But after few days it now feels comfortable to handle. The handwriting recognition is great. It uses “Palm-block” technology to allow writing with the stylus without interference from your hand resting on the screen. I don’t know if this is a feature unique to the Surface, but without it, writing with a pen might be difficult. The screen is super crisp and easily readable in broad daylight. ACl software works fine on it. I have MS Office installed on it with OneNote – excellent for taking notes freehand using the pen. Now I am anxiously awaiting the Windows 8 version of Nexus to come out so I can begin leaving my clipboard at home. Any news on that front from Mr. Garrett is welcomed!
Brian Baker
 
Brian. I'm impressed you were able to find one for sale. I heard a new batch had been released to the big box stores for Saturday morning. When I went to Best Buy they were already sold out an hour after they opened. They said they only received 4. I just wanted to see if they had one on display but they didn't even have that.
 
Bill-
I was feeling your pain until I just walked into Best Buy to get on a waiting list. They happened to have a couple on the 64 Gig units there and that was all I needed. The effective storage capacity has been unfairly criticized in the media for some reason. I-Pads have the same issues. Only with the Surface it accepts inexpensive SD cards that more than double the storage capacity.
 
FWIW, guys, we have both 64 GB and 128GB models and the early reports were somewhat inaccurate on the available storage space. The early review models had some extra stuff on them, leaving less available space. Also, you can burn the the back-up partition stuff off to another drive and free up several more GB.

The first week - 10 days, the 128 GB models were tough to get, but that is easing up. Today they seem easier to get at Microsoft stores - I think BB was shy about ordering many of the $100 more expensive models but now even they are taking orders for the 128 GB models. If you order from MS on-line, the delivery is quoted at March 1st (?) I ordered another one last Saturday and was told March 1, but I've already gotten it.

We've found that the 64 GB model is sufficient for our programmer types who mainly have regular office type software loaded (MS Office suite, compilers, mics. other tools, etc.) and they keep their ancillary stuff on either microSD cards and/or "button" type 32 GB USB Flash Drives. The MicroSD is "tucked away" and may be best if you don't see yourselves removing it often. We have found that a very convenient option are the button style flash drives. We use both "regular" and "encrypted" types - a couple of clients require encrypted file storage. Currently, these are available at Amazon.com for between $18 and $20. (Strangely enough, the encrypted drive is less this week.) The "regular" drive is slightly smaller and bust a bit faster, though you would not notice it unless you were timing it. Links posted below:

Lexar Encrypted drive: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004X6AQZQ/?tag=realestatappraat

SanDisk (regular" drive: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00812F7O8/?tag=realestatappraat

Also note that the USB drives are generally only available in capacities up to 32 GB. If you want to go to 64 GB, you'll need to go with a microSD. We've been well pleased with this one:

SanDisk 64 GB MicroSDXC: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B009QZH6JS/?tag=realestatappraat

I think that IF you can get a 128 GB Surface Pro, that is preferable to the 64 GB model – it costs a bit more than adding your own memory via MicroSD, but then the slot(s) are still open for even more if needed. Adding your own expandable/removable storage is a nice thing since most of us seem to be data hogs, LOL, and obviously, this works with all the new Windows 8 tablets.


Hope this helps!


-Randall Garrett-
..Apex Software..

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Minor update -

After being knocked down by a cold/flu thing, I got back to the office for only a day or two before having to step out for a visiting guests thing, requiring my presence at home for most of last week. Another Win 8 tablet arrived during the week and I've begun putting it through some preliminary tests.

The device is the Dell Latitude 10 ("DL10") Is is pretty similar to the other two devices I've mentioned (HP ElitePad 900 "EP900" and the Lenovo ThinkPad Tablet 2 "TPT2") in that they all use the same CPU/GPU, have 2GB of RAM, similar form factors, etc. Like the others, the DL10 is a Business Class device that eschews glitz for increased durability an a no- nonsense look & feel. Each of these devices has a different twist on being some what different from their competition - "What can we do to differentiate ourselves?" The main thing most will notice first is that the DL10 has a removable battery. The standard battery sits flush with a sring-loaded latch switch on the back. The extra capacity battery sticks out a little - think "extended battery on old Pocket PC's" but it is better executed. Build quality seems good upon initial use, but I had to fumble a bit removing the battery. I suspect this is not a big issue for mst since the run times are long on these devices. Still, some will find comfort that you CAN swap batteries and/or use an extended capacity battery at all. The pen is almost identical to the ones in the Lenovo X-nn series Convertible Tablet PCs. I like that it has a clip making it easily kept in a shirt pocket.

I'll be running the three devices side-by-side and shooting some pics, but not before next weekend. I may do a mini-comparison photo thing with the TPT2 beforehand.

You can visit the Dell page for this device here: http://www.dell.com/us/business/p/latitude-10-tablet/pd

[Edit] The models you'll most likely want are the two in the middle, at $579 or $649. The $499 version has only 32GB of storage, which is too small IMHO for typical appraiser needs. $80 to move to 64GB is money well spent there. For drawing and note-taking purposes, I prefer the next model up - for ME, and those who appreciate the addition of a real Wacom Active Pen (not those crappy capacitive atrocities) and proper digitizing screen, the additional $70 is well worth it if you have apps that know how to use them. This model also includes TPM which is a requirement for most serious Enterprise environments. This is the model I use. Unless you need the Smart Card and a fingerprint reader in the $779 model, I recommend disregarding this one. Your money is better spent on a few accessories like the drop protection coverage plan, a car charger or spare battery, extra pen, the docking cradle, or whatever combination suits your needs.

Hope this helps!


-Randall Garrett-
*Apex Software*

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Brian,

We will announce a new version of Apex soon. I am contractually committed to deliver a version for another market by the end of this month, so as soon as that is done, we'll be turning our attentions to the North American Fee and Mass Appraiser versions. I suspect you'll see it "in the wild" pretty soon :-). I'm not sure when ACI will pick it up, though - they have been notoriously slow about picking up and deploying new versions of Apex. That said, you could run it "stand-alone" on your Surface Pro and just import the sketch into your integrated version of Av5 until if/when they pick up Av6.

The next version of Apex is built for Win 7 and Win 8 - I've run it on XP and Vista, but those versions of Windows won't be officially supported. I have no intention of compromising this version to support older OS's. I'd drop Win 7 for this version if it were not contractually required and financially practical...* I'll likely not even allow Av6 to be installed on XP or Vista, blocking this via the installer, but bit fiddler types could bypass that if they wanted to, just as we do now. Of course, we'd know this if someone did this and called in for support ;-)

Some of the new features and functionality in Av6 require new integration and file format changes. I can't go into the specifics on the new features and capabilities here or at this time, but we'll provide a way to "export" the sketch and "demote" it to something older versions can read so that folks with Av5 can use them up to the limits of what Av5 had in it. We already have another update for Av5 sitting in the wings, waiting for a partner-related launch event. The new Av5 has some tweaks to take advantage of some improvements to MobileSketch and the upcoming Av6. You'll want to check with ACI about when they will push out this free update to their users. Right now, they would be waiting on us to release it, but once we do, they may sit on it a while for whatever reason...

[Edit] Forgot to mention that we DO have a "pure Win 8" product in the works - I just don't think we'll see any appraisal "forms" software published for Win 8 only anytime in the immediate future, so the most viable product we'll release in "appraiser form" will be Av6. Much like our MSA product was derived from our real CAD product, IF/when a pure Win 8 product for appraisers is viable, we can & will tweak the CAD program and be ready for any integrators to adopt it, sell it "stand alone" or whatever meets customer demand at that time.


Hope this helps for now!


-Randall Garrett-
*Apex Software*

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