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Windows Tablets For Fieldwork

No worries. I had just not seen much "news" about the device and it seems to be a good competitor to the SP3 or Helix2 type device and a step up in specs from the Bay Trail tablet choices. I've had the HP 1000 in the shop for "testing" and liked some things, but not others. It does not look like there are the more "rugged" case choices for the Pro X2 612, I am assuming this is because they envision it with the keyboard as a more integral part and a rugged case would make that difficult or impossible, perhaps that is/will be the case on the next Helix.

So I wondered if you had impressions or feedback on that score.

I am going to Portland this week for the Alamode Roadshow and look forward to soaking up what they have to say, though they are still very much in the field/companion device camp vs. some type of multi-purpose all in one. And given the current state of software choices that might be the most efficient choice. for now.

Knowing that one can only make the best choice today, there will always be another newer faster cheaper choice tomorrow, I'm going to make the call after I return from Portland. Which for a guy with the impulse control around tech "toys" of a drunken 4 year old has been quite difficult.
 
No prob, Rob. There is plenty of info on the device on the 'net' but what is not yet public are the details on various configurations which could help define whether it is a good fit for anyone in particular. The details I care most about are known to me (and others) but are under information embargo at present. I expect, however, that HP will lift most (if not all) embargo terms during IFA this week.

Basically, however, you are essentially correct with regard to the aspects controlled by the CPU/GPU - it is a step up from an Atom-based Bay Trail device with respect to processing and storage medium "pipe." The trade-off is the increased weight and inferior (IMHO) 16:9 aspect ratio screen, etc. In that regard, I believe the Helix 2 (16:10) and SP3 (15:10 equiv.) are demonstrably superior in their respective tablet sizes. I believe the H2 will end up being the most expensive of the three due to Lenovo's wonky initial pricing schemes (I might be wrong here) but we'll have to wait and see (another 30 days?) As far as specialty cases and the like, HP has a good history of making several options available (a "plethora" to the point of confusion in some cases, LOL), although their site is difficult to navigate and thus it is difficult for most to even know such options exist :-\ That said, this is something I usually have to ferret out sue to the requirements of our Enterprise type customers (for whom these type things are quite important) and I usually mention the ones that are most fitting for the majority of fee appraisers here when I eventually do a write-up :-)

I think you know what to expect at the event you will be attending - iOS and then Android will be the main thrust and Win 8 adoption will be discouraged. Using the device(s) which are best supported by your chosen software vendor(s) is always an important factor IMHO. I believe that "tide" will begin to turn sometime next Spring for the mainstream appraisers, so I don't think it is a bad move for most to look at the best-bang-for-the-buck Android device as a "hold-over" until things change - unless you feel you are better off dealing with the software compromises so that you can achieve the "one device/OS to do it all" in the interim. Just look at an Android device/solution as a temporary "for now" thing and treat is as "disposable" or "repurpose-able" vs. a long term main device. Hoping my meaning is clear, despite my poor wording ;-) I think your (and most fee appraisers') "Holy Grail" device involves a Core M CPU and the availability of proper mobile software on the upcoming "Threshold" (aka Win 9?) just in time for Spring... :-) In other words, I do not think the Pro X2 612 is the device that you are hoping for. It way well work well - just know (and I know you do!) that you'll see better devices in 6 - 8 months, so if you want to do Win 8 vs. Android or iOS now, you're better off with a less expensive Bay Trail device like the TP10 or even the Pro 610 IMHO. YMMV...


Regards,


-Randall Garrett-
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I had a typo in post #305 - the cost of the internal 4G & antennas is actually $194 + $28 (= $222), which probably now makes more sense when I wrote that the 4G option (when available built-in here) should be a ~ $200 option.

Sorry for the mistake. I am absolutely, 100% sure that the fault lies with my keyboard, though - I am sure it's not that I write quickly, off the top of my head and don't proof read like I should ;-)


-Randall Garrett-
+Apex Software+

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For those interested in the "latest & greatest" there is now an official "first look" video of the Lenovo ThinkPad Helix 2 at the link posted below. The video is pretty dry, but at least they confirm some items which were previously under information embargo - the most important being that it is, indeed, a Core M CPU (fan-less - yea!) for better performance and increased battery life. Also shown is the rugged sleeve, which I was advised would not be even mentioned until Q1 2015... My sources say it'll be starting at $999 MSRP for this 1.8 lb, 11.6" full tablet with Wacom active digitizer (and touch, of course.) Early preproduction units were glossy screened, but my hopes are that they continue to use the semi-matte screen like on my current Helix (1) - we'll see. There are two different keyboard options (the one most want will reportedly not come until Q1 2015 (this is mainly a production and "V-Pro related item), discrete TPM (for those who care), smart card option, desk dock, QuickShot cover, etc., etc. etc. Of course, I am already in line for a retail unit and I'll report on it when it arrives - I am restricted from commenting on pre-production units with respect to several details and besides, it wouldn't be fair nor particularly relevant at this point.

I can say that this is a worthy upgrade to the original Helix and true ThinkPad fans will like this one, but for those who lean toward things like the SP3, you may want to see my upcoming comparison between H1 and H2 so you can get an idea of what a future (?) Core M Surface Pro could offer.

Video link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KoaM1WfW9g

Hope this helps!


-Randall Garrett-
+Apex Software+

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I know that I sometimes (ha!) drone on and on about this or that tech component and, combined with my poor writing skills, the importance of these things can get buried. One of the things I've been writing about for a while is the successor to today's "Haswell" CPUs - upcoming line of Intel "Broadwell" chips. Terms like Ivy Bridge, Haswell and now Broadwell are "families" and what we'll see listed in most computer specs will be the actual model numbers. The upcoming tablets, convertibles, 2-in-1's, etc. will feature chips marketed as "Core M" (as mentioned in my previous post.) There will (essentially) be 3 initial variants divided into a "regular" version and a version targeted at Enterprise users. The regular one comes in two sub-versions and there is one Enterprise version. The Enterprise version has things like V-Pro, TPM and other things that most Enterprise users want/need/require, while the other two vary by a few sort of esoteric parameters which target performance vs. battery life vs. bandwidth, etc. With the previous Haswell, we saw the regular version pop out first and the Enterprise trailed by about 6 months, which is why the Enterprise tablets I favor came to market later. This time around, it looks like the first tablets (at least those just announced) are going for the Enterprise version first, which I am glad to see. "The Press" will carry headlines with something like the upcoming $699 Core M tablets, but initially, the ones aimed at corporate/Enterprise users will be closer to $1,000 - $1,200, plus accessories.

For those who are interested in what Core M brings, there is a pretty good article at the link below. The writer describes things in a better style than mine, so you may want to check this out to get a handle on why I keep mentioning this. The article is a 5 - 7 minute read, not super-techy and doesn't go into all that much detail covering the differentiators, etc.

http://www.computerworld.com/articl...ps-slated-for-20-windows-tablets-hybrids.html

Basically, we'll see a few more Core M device announcements from "The Usual Suspects" - HP, Dell, Lenovo, Acer, etc. - this and next quarter, and things will ramp up in the lesser Core M stuff as we get closer to CES in January, 2015. Today, Tablets seems to grab most of the headlines, but there are also several really nice (on paper) laptops already announced, and more are expected this year. I expect further announcements then, and sort of culminating in some revised/tweaked device offerings in Q2 2015, coinciding with the release of "Threshold" -aka "Windows 9" (?) Following Intel's well-established "Tick-Tock" release schedule, we won't see another major CPU for another two years and it'll essentially be a refinement on Broadwell chips.

In similar fashion, for the lighter weight devices, we went from Clover Trail to Bay Trail and the next one will be Cherry Trail. Again, these are "families" and today they are not just the Atom chips commonly seen, but include re-used terms like "Celeron" and "Pentium." I know it can get confusing, but basically the Atom chips are SoC types (System on a Chip) meant to duel with other SoC offerings commonly seen in iPads, Android tablets, etc., where the Pentium and Celeron offerings are built using separate components, much like more traditional systems of yore, just smaller, faster, more efficient, etc. Mostly, most fee appraisers won't run into many systems with Bay Trail Celeron and Pentiums as they are typically found in specialty devices meant for targeted markets (which we are not a big player in.) Hence, most of the Bay Trail devices I write about here are Atom based, though I will continue to mention a Celeron or Pentium device, if appropriate. Generally, those will be for folks in "less than moderate" environments. By the time that Cherry Trail devices come out (next year), we'll truly have some very, very compelling devices. The current Bay Trail Atom devices with 4GB of RAM and running the 64-bit OS are actually quite nice for most mobile scenarios and paired with software optimized for mobile use, they make for a compelling option for many of our customers. I would expect we'll see a series of software announcements next Spring, to coincide with Win9 where some developers will suddenly embrace Windows Tablets. That will be good - choices are good :-)

Hope this helps! Let me know if you need further detail/focus on a particular aspect.


-Randall Garrett-
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From my previous post (including a great example of my awkward sentence structure, LOL):
Mostly, most fee appraisers won't run into many systems with Bay Trail Celeron and Pentiums as they are typically found in specialty devices meant for targeted markets (which we are not a big player in.) Hence, most of the Bay Trail devices I write about here are Atom based, though I will continue to mention a Celeron or Pentium device, if appropriate. Generally, those will be for folks in "less than moderate" environments.

I should have said you won't likely see many BT Celerons or Pentiums in Tablets that I cover. There are a few low end laptops which feature these CPUs and there are more coming to market soon. Sorry for not being more precise earlier - that was sloppy.

(Oh, and I am going to be on the road for a few days. I'll be unable to log in here to post or respond except during the evenings. I'll be back this coming weekend.)


-Randall Garrett-
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FWIW, I belatedly noticed a super promo on the Lenovo Tablet 10, but when I checked it out, it had already expired :-(. Evidently, it was a one-day sale thing with speculation that Lenovo was testing response metrics to adjust pricing, etc. The promo was for $399 (plus accessories), but today's price is back up to a whopping $799. My7 apologies for not following this more closely and letting you know in time for you to take advantage of it. Now that I'm back from CA, I should be able to devote more time to this sort of thing and I'll endeavor to let you know when I find a deal on any germane topics/items. I'm hoping that Lenovo's (speculated) "test promo" leads to a stabilized lower overall price soon. Over the last 30 - 45 days, I've seen the Tablet 10 range from $588 - (now) $799. The lower end of that range was a good deal, but yesterday's promo was a killer deal IMHO.

On a personal note, I've been somewhat distracted from following up on devices lately - we moved our son from Austin to CA (job promotion.) He works for an absolutely huge software company. I thought the Austin campus was impressive, but seeing "the Mother Ship" was a real treat and I was super impressed with their operation. I am also in the midst of a few real estate transaction for family members and some critical dates are transpiring over the next 60 days, so I'm running around like the proverbial chicken with it's head cut off, ferrying Cashiers Checks for Change Orders, Inspections, etc. - all while trying to catch up with things I missed while away, etc. One item I enjoyed yesterday was to follow a Certified Home Inspector around, observing what he did, etc. I was pleased to note that this particular Inspector operated much like our more highly-mobile valuer customers in other parts of the world. Essentially, he did his thing in about 90 minutes - including writing up and delivering his finished report with pictures, sketch, etc. This house is about a thousand feet from my current residence and I had his report waiting in my Inbox when I arrived back home. His fee, including a WDI report, was $425 and was prepaid when I ordered the service on-line. Remembering my days as a fee appraiser, I'd say that doing what he does is much easier and more profitable than doing valuations today. If I were still a fee appraiser, I think I'd be looking into getting certified to do home inspections... Just my 2¢...


-Randall Garrett-
+Apex Software+

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As a follow-up to my post on 09/08, I noted that the "Yoga clone" Dell Inspiron 11 3000 "2-in-1" device has dropped to $399 on Dell's site, Amazon, etc. This is an 11.6" touch device (no active pen) featuring a Bay Trail Celeron CPU (you can also get a BT Pentium for about $50 more) with 4GB of RAM and a 500 GB HDD. It compares pretty well with the 11" Yoga but the thing I liked the most was that you can upgrade the RAM and HDD yourself - a pretty rare thing today, especially in a low cost device like this. I've read that some folks have seen it for less, but I have not seen it lower, myself - maybe there's a e-coupon out there, or something...

Anyway, you can visit the Dell site, or your favorite on-line retailer for more specific info. Basically, though, this is a good example of an inexpensive 2-in-1 based on the Celeron or Pentium Bay Trail, so it supports HDD/SSD (vs. the slower eMMC storage), features a touch screen and flips over like a Yoga. The raw performance is thus better than the Bay Trail Atom devices I lean toward, but being an 11.6" 2-in-1, it's also larger and heavier. Might be a decent device for those looking for "mainly light-duty full laptop first/tablet use occasionally" duty, a teenager, assistant, whatever. I found the build quality to be decent for the price and the keyboard was surprisingly good - not "backlit Lenovo great", but pretty darn good.

Here is a link to the device on Amazon, for more info:
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00KMRGF3M/?tag=realestatappraat

[Edit] - I noticed that the Amazon link (erroneously) shows this thing to weigh nearly 5 lbs! It is definitely not that heavy, LOL - they either have a typo or that is the shipping weight. Dell lists it as about 3 lbs., which seems about right to me, given my small exposure to it. http://www.dell.com/us/p/inspiron-11-3147-laptop/pd?ref=PD_Family


Hope this helps!


-Randall Garrett-
+Apex Software+

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FWIW, I belatedly noticed a super promo on the Lenovo Tablet 10, but when I checked it out, it had already expired :-(. /end/

Randy, is there a website or websites we can monitor where such deals are posted?

Joe
 
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