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Windows Tablets For Fieldwork

I noticed today that MS is advertising $200 off on the new Surface Pro X, so the 13" super-thin tablet with 4G LTE now starts at $899. That is probably the price it should have been at launch, so I'm not surprised that they reduced the price so close to the post-Christmas season. I happen to use the SPX myself for travel, but I still think that the Surface Go (8GB model with 4G LTE) is a more appropriate (and lower-priced!) model for most appraisers/inspectors who want a Windows "companion class" device. While the SPX is an awesome device for what it is, I think the best thing to come out of MS having released such a device is that they may move to a similar hardware design for the next version of the Surface Go - i.e. move to a Qualcomm Snapdragon 7c (and above) CPU (see previous post regarding the announcements for the Educational market) which plays nicely into lighter, thinner and likely less expensive Surface Go options which should have even better performance for modern software.

Article: https://www.onmsft.com/news/microso...iscounts-on-its-new-arm-powered-surface-pro-x

Hope this helps!

-Randall Garrett-
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FWIW, I noted several articles announcing that Samsung is saying that their upcoming $999 Galaxy Book S laptop will be available on February 13th, 2020.

While this is not a tablet, it closely resembles the Surface Pro X tablet with respect to the basic underlying hardware, except that it is, of course, a laptop vs. tablet. ;-)
So, if you like the idea of a Qualcomm-powered device with 4G LTE, like the SPX, but wish it were in a "laptop" form factor, this may be of interest. Here is, but one, of the many places you can start reading to see if it piques your interest.
As you may remember, I use the SPX myself when I travel, but I think the screen is a little large for field use, and I'm not a fan of the black finish since devices like that show fingerprints and dirt/grime more than treated gray/silver devices IMHO. As a hardware platform, the SPX is attractive to me due to the robust integrated 4G "modem" aspect and I hope to see more and more devices like this in the near future. That said, I am also excited to see if the upcoming Intel-based variants can come close to matching up well with respect to battery life and 4G/5G LTE performance.

Hope this helps!


-Randall Garrett-
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A few days late on this but it looks like the deal is still good for 5 more days...

I noticed an article which says you can get a factory refurbished Surface Pro 4 with 8GB RAM, 256GB SSD and a 1 year warranty for $499. When I selected the link, I also noticed that a 2 and 3 year warranty is available for $35.99 or $49.99, respectively. I have pasted the blurb below which included the link to the purchase page via NeoWin - a site I visit regularly but have not purchased anything from. I am usuakky a fan of refurbished devices when they are done by either the manufacturer or a reputable retailer. In this case, the refurbishments and warranty appear to be via Microsoft, so I am good with it.

"...Neowin Deals store, where for only a limited time, you can save 66% off a factory recertified Microsoft Surface Pro 4."​

Hope this helps!


-Randall Garrett-
+Apex Software+

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I read a pretty interesting article earlier this morning entitled "I switched from Surface Book 2 to Surface Pro X, and I'm in love. Here's why."

Due to his work environment/scenario, the author had previously used a Surface Book 2 as his choice for what I refer to as a "Desktop Replacement class" device. An unfortunate accident with his SB2 caused him to review his current situation and ultimately, he decided to go with what I refer to as a "Field or Companion class" device. (BTW, we always recommend getting an accidental drop & damage protection policy for your business devices!) Summarily, his reasons represent what I believe is a very common scenario for most mass and fee appraiser types and in his words, his reasoning boils down to:
"The key here is that my laptop is no longer my main PC. I bought the Surface Book 2 when I didn't have a desktop PC to fall back on, so I went for power and maximum app compatibility. Now, I spend more time at a pretty powerful desktop rig than not, so my priorities have shifted drastically. The three biggest draws for me with the Surface Pro X were LTE connectivity, portability, and battery life. There are several LTE laptops on the market nowadays, but none of them check all three of those boxes quite like the Surface Pro X. "​

The article goes into more detail regarding typical details, including positives and negatives, and I thought it may be of interest to readers here. FWIW, my "main machines" are still pretty beefy desktop PCs, but I happen to use a SPX while on the road. Summarily, I found that I have need for a true Windows device for many of my specific daily needs and for those, my iPad Pro was simply inadequeate so I was having to carry multiple devices. Sound familiar? So for me, the SPX was the best field device for my particular needs - YMMV, of course...

I still feel that the Surface Go may be a better fit for most residential fee appraisers as a Companion Class device, primarily due to cost and ergonomic factors which I have pointed out before. As many readers here know, I spent many years in the fee appraisal business and mass appraisal community, and while the SPX may be a good fit for me when traveling, I am not representing that it is the best fit for everyone, especially if you want/need something closer to a "Desktop Replacement class" device. What I find interesting about the SPX, however, is that it points toward future devices which may be a better fit. We already know of a few which may debut this spring, (and boy, am I looking forward to those!) but perhaps the most critical item for these type devices being a good fit for most readers here is when you are able to escape running the typical bloated full suite software applications that are still common today. Fortunately, we are already seeing some serious movement there and after you are (understandably and rightfully) able to satisfy yourselves that the new apps/environments work to your satisfaction, keep in mind that part of the formula for success involves your own ability to modify some of your routines and outlooks. There will undoubtedly be some compromises involved there ;-)

In any case, I thought the article was an interesting read and may be helpful to some of you who are still on the fence about "going mobile." Also, keep in mind that the author's use-case scenario is not really much like most readers here, but many of the points and experiences covered are relevant to a lot of us. Perhaps inserting something like "Surface Go w/LTE" for the SPX might give you something to think about. today... (?)

Hope this is helpful.


-Randall Garrett-
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Microsoft is running a promotion on the entry level Surface Pro 7 bundled with a black Type Cover for $599, which is about a $300 discount. Some sites are suggesting that this bundle is a better buy than the Surface Go... Note, however, that while it has the superior Core i3 processor, it only has 4GB of RAM. This is plenty sufficient for regular browsing/web apps, email and light weight traditional software, my experience (as well as reports from most all users) is that you'll want an 8GB model since most tend to try and run their regular desktop software more heavily bogged down. Software like traditional desktop programs used for appraising and inspection type activities are not particularly demanding on "compute", but tend to put heavy loads on RAM and Storage. Hence, for most users today, having more RAM and plenty of storage is more important than having the faster CPU. Of course, at the extreme ends of that scale, measurable differences are obvious, so in this case we're talking about the actual compute capability of the CPUs in the Surface Go and the SP7 w/ i3.

For most users, I still feel that the for $679 ($80 more + keyboard, etc.), the Surface Go with 8GB RAM + 128GTB storage and 4G LTE is a better device for mobile inspection duties. Both devices discussed here can run your regular software, but just don't expect these mobile devices as configured to be able to breeze through heavy lifting like your monster PC at your office. The SP7 has the larger screen while the SG is smaller & lighter. For mobile inspection duties, I don't think that the additional size and weight of the SP7 adds enough in the usability dept. to offset that better ergonomics of the SG, not to mention the benefits that built-in 4G LTE bring to most users. All this said, keep in mind that we expect to see a "new" Surface Go later this year, possibly configured to be more like the the much more expensive Surface Pro X, so unless you want/need something now, I would wait a couple a few months... Of course, if you are being held back by not being able to produce while in the field, I am told that users find that it only takes about 3 more assignments to offset the cost of something like the SG w/4G. That number comes from customers and considers the net profit of regular assignments. If you are in a high volume environment, the return is obviously very fast.

Another factor is that our industry is obviously moving toward a more "cloud" oriented infrastructure in many respects. This move has the effect of lowering the CPU demands of most devices while upping the need for cellular capabilities. Most software that I am aware of is basing their apps off being able to be used in a browser so that people can use which ever device which fits their needs. For many, this is something like an iPad (with Android tablet being a distant second and Windows tablets third.) Where an inexpensive Windows tablet still trumps the others is when one needs to be able to also run regular "legacy" software while away from their traditional desk environments. Obviously, there are ways to run your desktop computer via "remote", this is much less convenient than running them directly on the device (i.e. "locally.") Once "everything is in the cloud", the advantages of a Windows Tablet will be diminished. Note that I am not preaching/advocating the benefits of "cloud computing" for readers here - I'm simply suggesting that we all know this move is almost certainly in our futures and I'm trying to point out that you can use a Windows Tablet now and in the future, so a ~$600 investment is not wasted... These items are things that we take into account in my own company, how we develop products and services, alignments/integration with others, etc., and I adjust my own device usage accordingly. Most of what I do today can be done via a browser but I still need to run some legacy software which is not available or is at best very compromised. Hence, for me, while I also use an iPad, most of my daily items are done best on a Windows device - even when traveling, whether is be in North America, or internationally. I do not expect those needs to change anytime soon, even though we develop and deploy "web apps" as well.

In any case, here is the link to the MS site with the SP7 bundles. The one I mentioned above is obviously the one on the left. I don't know how long these deals will be valid.

Hope this helps!


-Randall Garrett-
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Randall, I bought a Surface Go with 8 gigs of memory and 128 gigs of storage at the end of last year and added a 128 gig SD card to it. It works fine for basic tasks but like you said, can get bogged down if you try to do heavy lifting with it. I think the size and weight work fine for outdoor use. I purchased a Purgo USB C hub adapter dongle that lets me plug an HDMI cable to it so I can run an external monitor and still have an available USB plug. When I use it in my office the SG is also connected to a Plugable docking station with an ethernet connection, four additional USB ports an additional HDMI and VGA port. My only real complaint is that I have not found a decent alternative to the Notability app which I was using on an Ipad Pro I was using before the SG.
 
Thanks for your input here, nauthead!
Input from real world users is more useful to other users than my occasional posts IMHO. If you'd like, I'll ask around among some users to see what they have found to be of use in the "Notability" arena. As I have previously noted, I think that the SG like yours has a great "BB4TB" (Best Buy For The Buck) rating if your use case scenario is as I have outlined. About the only improvement would be 4G LTE but I would hold on to what you have until something demonstrably better surfaces (pun intended, LOL.) In the interim, any pro and/or con comments you'd care to share with regard to your accessories would be most welcomed by many of the lurking readers here ;-) Oh, and if you have some "seat of the pants" feedback on how far you feel you can push your SG with respect to software bogging things down - which software products, loads, etc. - I'm sure folks would find that most helpful.

Warm regards,


-Randall Garrett-
+Apex Software+

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A little more in depth review of the Surface Go:

I have an older Lenovo desktop (16 gigs memory, Intel I-7 2600, 1 TB SATA hard drive), and the SG performs better than the desktop, especially on startup. I also have a 2014 Dell Venue Pro 11 tablet with 8 gigs of memory, and the SG is only marginally faster than the Dell. The big difference between the two is the touch screen-the Dell is clunky at best if you are writing on the screen. The SG was designed with a pen/stylus in mind and the Dell was not. The Dell also gets much hotter with heavy use and will even shut itself down if you overwork it. So far I have had no heat issues with the SG.

The SG takes about 12-15 seconds to power up. I have found that it is best to turn it on without any peripherals attached. The facial recognition lags behind Apple (I have an Ipad Pro that will unlock whether I am wearing my glasses or not and the SG is 50/50 if I am not wearing my glasses).

There have been a few times where the SG has gone into screen saver mode and refused to unlock itself with either the facial recognition or using the password unlocking, and I have been forced to power it off manually and restart. I solved this by changing the settings on the screen saver to always stay on when it is plugged in to its power cable.

I can run multiple web pages at once (6-8), along with Excel, Word, multiple PDF documents and have a video streaming with no major performance issues. If I try to run a second video the tablet slows down quite a bit (not that most people would need to run two videos at once). The SG is connected to an LG 34 wide screen monitor that uses the LG software to split the screen in multiple configurations. I just split the screen in half and use one side for web pages and one side for the document I am working on.

As far as field work goes, the camera is as good as it needs to be for most appraisers and the 10” size is not too awkward to handle. Of course there is no flash.

I would not want to take notes on anything smaller. The best PDF app I have found so far is PDF reader by Zodo. It lets you use the eraser on the SG pen without having to click on anything to erase, so you can just flip the pen over if you need to correct anything vs. having to hit a button to erase then hit the button again to go back to writing. I still prefer Notability on the Ipad over anything I have found for the SG.

I have been searching for a new desktop but I will likely just keep using the SG as both my office PC and for field data unless I begin to have issues with it.

On a side note, Randall, have you received any information on the new Ipad Pros set to be released this year? I am curious to see what kind of changes are in store.
 
Light reading and not all that useful for most appraiser types in the field today, IMHO. My main 'beef" is that these tablets all have less than 8 GB of RAM, so I think they are a little anemic in that department since I still read that many here will try to run their full "legacy" appraisal suites on them and end up being disappointed. One unit here, their overall pick, has 6 GB of RAM and that may be of some help. Now, IF you can limit your burden of trying to run your desktop appraisal suite and have Chrome open with 28 tabs, etc., 4 - 6 GB can function OK, but as before - just don't expect a sub $500 device to run everything like your monster PC tower, LOL. Still, some useful comparisons made here, but I still feel that something like the Surface Go with 8 GB RAM (and 4G LTE) is the best ticket for most people.

BTW, Brian, our lead tech reports that his child seems to be enjoying the use of his Surface Go at home for her (Coronavirus-related) school work from home- primarily for the times she can take advantage of the active pen. Reportedly, this makes it much easier for her to complete some tasks, and I think Brian mentioned that mommy & daddy find it easier to sign off on things, too. :-) So, IF you have school-aged children at home now and you already have a Surface device, you might want to order a pen so you can help them out. Oh, and you can draw sketches with it, too, LOL, so one could reasonably expect that it is a legit business expense for your appraisal business (if you get it with the expectation of sketching with it, of course.)

Hope this helps!


-Randall Garrett-
+Apex Software+

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