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Training future staff, giving them advancement opportunities, and building a business that has value is worth doing. Training appraisers that leave after they get certified or working as a "supervisor" for a AMC is a waste of time.

I believe that it is the failure of many independent appraisers to realize this reality over an extended period of time that has led to much of the current structure within the appraisal profession. Throughout the 80s and 90s there were far too many who treated trainees as indentured servants, bleeding them for every possible cent they could. The natural reaction to that was that many would leave the company as soon as they got certified.

Over the 29 years that worked out in the field I trained several folks, and each time it was viewed as a long term commitment. In all that time I had only one appraiser who left my company shortly (2 years) after becoming certified. Why? Simple, I made it more attractive for them to stay than it was for them to leave. Part of that was making sure that they understood the business side of what we do and not just the appraisal side.
 
Throughout the 80s and 90s there were far too many who treated trainees as indentured servants, bleeding them for every possible cent they could. The natural reaction to that was that many would leave the company as soon as they got certified.
Our experience here was not quite that bad, got that way moreso after 2000. I took a partner, she developed terminal cancer and she was training her step-daughter. She asked for me to finish the job. I did and paid her all the fee less $50/report. She paid her own MLS fees. Another, paid the same, part-time due to Lupus, but stayed with me for 18 years less 2 years caring for aged in-laws. I took on a third trainee who had lost his job as in HR at a local company and was looking for something to fill in until he reached 65..he was about 58 and found getting a job at his age was difficult. He worked to 65 and like the others paid his own MLS and I got $50 per report. After they licensed I didn't have to sign the reports for most clients. He was fast learner and was basically able to inspect and do excellent work within 6 mo., and if a question, he ran it past me. The last one I took on was an out of state CR who needed additional commercial hours to get his CG. I allowed him to do reports with me and he offered to do so without compensation. But he was paid for any residential report I generated (100% of fee) that was in his area or out of state (He held licenses in 3 states.) Excellent, he was a forumite, and quit in disgust after a mortgage broker filed in MO complaining he didn't appraise it high enough. He went back to broker work and rentals. He also sold 22 rentals in Joplin, MO in mid-2000s and got to buy back at a fraction his sale prices.

Most area appraisers that I know who told me what they did, started people at 50%, and provided MLS. They usually transitioned to a somewhat higher fee cut after the party was trained. A high percent of trainees were family members. Only the larger firms had lower cuts or even salaries, and typically paid basic expenses (MLS, software) etc. So I don't buy the argument that we created our own competition. Only the one trainee above "competed" with me after she obtained her training, and that was largely because she wanted to cut back, and I was doing less and less residential work anyway. When the crunch came, I cannot think of anyone who gobbled up any significant part of my biz, and the banks were more comfortable with the people they were used to dealing with than trying cut rate Charlie. In fact, 2000-2006 was the best years for my poultry farm appraising due to the construction cycle, and it slowed just prior to the bust. When the bust came, I was extremely busy with bank repo's (not secondary market) or OREs as they tended to call them. When a couple banks got into trouble, I was called upon to revalue not only old appraisals I had done, but a lot of property where "evaluations" done in-house were deemed inadequate by the examiners and they required new certified appraisals even on some very small loans. By that time, I was working pretty much steady with mineral evaluations in Arkansas and Oklahoma, which I continue to do today. My bank days are over. I wish there were more mineral appraisers because I turn down a lot of work outside the two state area I limit myself to.
 
Most area appraisers that I know who told me what they did, started people at 50%, and provided MLS. ....

I actually think the whole "fee-split model" is a big part of the problem. I never paid that way. My staff were employees and they got paid like employees, not like Amway salespeople.
 
Hard to recruit when you have to find college grads who have failed in the job market with their somewhat specialized degree by offering them $10 an hour at 60 hours a week as a trainee, an easy 3-5 years from certification.

The local convenience store is starting cashiers at $11, management at $40k; sounds like a better option.

Glad I diversified out of FT appraisal work...I'll keep PT fee work until it bleeds dry, pay my $305 bi-annual renewal and watch it all go down from the sidelines.
 
Hard to recruit when you have to find college grads who have failed in the job market with their somewhat specialized degree by offering them $10 an hour at 60 hours a week as a trainee, an easy 3-5 years from certification.

The local convenience store is starting cashiers at $11, management at $40k; sounds like a better option.

Glad I diversified out of FT appraisal work...I'll keep PT fee work until it bleeds dry, pay my $305 bi-annual renewal and watch it all go down from the sidelines.

They dropped the college grad requirement from res side, in the proposed changes which I believe have passed. There are some coursework beyond HS required , not even Jr College/AA degree is required any longer. That said, it's still going to be tough sell when even the most eager trainees see what working for an AMC is like ...when most appraisers trained , which includes everyone up to the HVCC in 2011, the prospects , were very different. A few more lenders are moving to direct order but not enough to matter on a large scale imo as far as recruiting large number into the field.
 
Why do we need large numbers of appraisers in the field when the GSEs recognize purchase loans are way down, so they upped the mortgage limit from 45% of income to 50% of income. Maybe when they upp it again to 60% of income, there'll be so many appraisal jobs available, we'll need lots of new appraisers in the profession.

:ROFLMAO: And Hal will get backed up for a month or more.

Like many of Joan's brainstorms, nobody needs this product.

But we can laugh while they lose money.

.Visionaries

:rof::rof::rof::rof::rof:
 
Oh gosh...always looking for a conspiracy. I haven't even seen this . So I cannot really comment. One of the CRN committees has been working on this and has not been vetted by the Executive Comittee. ONce it has been reviewed and approved I will get back to you.
Really? Common Joan why do you even retort at all with such a garbage response. What do you mean you haven't even seen this? ONE of the CRN committees working towards being vetted by Executive Committee who is going to review and approve bla bla bla is nothing but beltway hyperbole. There are 3 sponsors on the Start website. CRN (Yourself) , Axis AMC and Mercury Network now owned by Corelogic.

ONCE WHAT is approved?

What haven't you seen? The Start website? According to you its always the same story - any critiques coming from boots on the ground Appraisers are nothing but trumped up, contrived conspiracies.
 
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The executive committee? Who is on the executive committee?

Joan Trice said:
Oh gosh...always looking for a conspiracy. I haven't even seen this . So I cannot really comment. One of the CRN committees has been working on this and has not been vetted by the Executive Comittee. ONce it has been reviewed and approved I will get back to you.

Just Helping you out..............
 
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