All Solar, Et Al, In 12 Years?

[Randolph Kinney]

You make my point Terrel, they can't forecast El Nino and they can't forecast temperatures years in advance. They do not have the correct model and understanding of what is happening.

 

[Randolph Kinney]

There’s a new study out, under the imprimatur of the Energy Institute of the Haas School of Business in Berkeley, California, entitled The Distributional Effects of U.S. Clean Energy Tax Credits. As the title implies, it looks at who actually profited from the various “green energy” tax credits across the United States. SPOILER ALERT! It wasn’t the poor folks.

How much money are we talking about? Well, the paper says that from 2006 to 2012, the taxpayers have been on the hook for $18 BILLION DOLLARS to fund these subsidies, money that would have otherwise gone into the General Fund.

Here is the data from their paper:

Figure 1. Distribution of benefits of the “Clean Energy Tax Credits” by the income class of the benefit recipient for the period 2006-2012. All values are percentages of the given benefit. “Residential” is subsidies for residential solar systems and weatherization. “Hybrid” are the subsidies paid to the owners of hybrids, as well as hydrogen, fuel cell and natural gas vehicles. “Electric Vehicle” is the subsidy paid to the pure electric vehicles like the Tesla, Leaf, and Volt.

Note that in all cases, the bottom half of the income scale got 4% or less of the benefits …

Tragically the preferred method of fighting evil carbon is to increase the cost of energy, which is an extremely regressive tax. Not only is it regressive, but unlike many taxes, there is no escape at the bottom of the income scale from increased energy costs. The poor pay no income tax, but they pay energy costs, and energy costs are a greater portion of their expenses than for the rich. So rather than going down with decreasing income, the effect of hikes in energy costs go UP with decreasing income.

The last thing anyone should want is saving the poor from the evils of global warming, aka climate change.

 

[stripes]

Do you need some Grannny loving, Stripes? Here you go

Don't be upset that Randolph and I agree on many issues. I agree with lots of posters and what they post. But now I'll make it a special point to look for what you've posted to see if I agree, like, can add to, or just disagree. Okay?

Germany the UK and even here, the "cost" has not fallen, and even though European countries are producing more renewable energies, that energy is not, for the most part from homeowners.

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Can you cook city chicken? Loved granny and really enjoyed it when she made city chicken some 50 years ago. Seems you two have something in common ... stuck in the 60's ... so thanks for the old-fashioned loving

Why do you assume I'm upset? I could give a rat's patootie what you and WR agree or disagee on. I'm just another appraiser, make every attempt to stay on topic and non-political, respond with my own thoughts and opinions, and if I have recently read an article that I'm in agreement with, I'll post a link here. Now, if you're upset that someone comes here and doesn't join the circlejerk .... well, that's on you.

 

[Meandering]

I'm not at all upset.

I actually find it comical that kool aid drinkers believe that because they have solar panels, no one is producing energy for them to use, whether or not they use it.

Want to save the world from carbon emissions produced by electrical production? Disconnect from the grid so that you're not part of the number the utility has to have electricity available for any moment in time.

I can cook city chicken but can't be stuck in the 60's cause I was still in diapers then, and I aint got that bad yet.






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[Randolph Kinney]

Epistemology

is the theory of knowledge, especially with regard to its methods, validity, and scope. Epistemology is the investigation of what distinguishes justified belief from opinion.

If you cannot explain your finding to an [attentive] eight-year old, you don’t understand it yourself.

Since all UN computer models are based upon CO2 levels which they claim are driving temperature change on a global scale, not to mention climate extremes, anyone older than 8 years old (without ADD) should be able to understand the above graph and what it means.

 

[Meandering]

And are those temperatures based on the Canadian data collection, or on the US revised to fit our program model?

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[Randolph Kinney]

And are those temperatures based on the Canadian data collection, or on the US revised to fit our program model?

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HadCRUT is the dataset of monthly instrumental temperature records formed by combining the sea surface temperature records compiled by the Hadley Centre of the UK Met Office and the land surface air temperature records compiled by the Climatic Research Unit (CRU) of the University of East Anglia.

The data is provided on a grid of boxes covering the globe, with values provided for only those boxes containing temperature observations in a particular month and year. Interpolation is not applied to infill missing values. The first version of HadCRUT initially spanned the period 1881–1993, and this was later extended to begin in 1850 and to be regularly updated to the current year/month in near real-time.

HadCRUT4 was introduced in March 2012. It "includes the addition of newly digitised measurement data, both over land and sea, new sea-surface temperature bias adjustments and a more comprehensive error model for describing uncertainties in sea-surface temperature measurements". Overall, the net effect of HadCRUT4 versus HadCRUT3 is an increase in the average temperature anomaly, especially around 1950 and 1855, and less significantly around 1925 and 2005.

The Climatic Research Unit had as an early priority the objective of filling gaps in available information "to establish the past record of climate over as much of the world as possible, as far back in time as was feasible, and in enough detail to recognise and establish the basic processes, interactions, and evolutions in the Earth's fluid envelopes and those involving the Earth's crust and its vegetation cover". Through the 1970s the unit worked on interpreting documentary historical records. From 1978 onward CRU began production of its gridded data set of land air temperature anomalies based on instrumental temperature records held by National Meteorological Organisations around the world. In 1986 sea temperatures were added to form a synthesis of data which was the first global temperature record, demonstrating unequivocally that the globe has warmed by almost 0.8°C over the last 157 years. From 1989 this work proceeded in conjunction with the Met Office Hadley Centre for Climate Prediction and Research, and their work demonstrated global warming of almost 0.8°C over the last 157 years.

Access to weather station temperature records was often under formal or informal confidentiality agreements that restricted use of this raw data to academic purposes. From the 1990s onwards the unit received requests for this weather station temperature data from people who hoped to independently verify the impact of various adjustments, and after the UK Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) came into effect in 2005, there were Freedom of Information requests to the Climatic Research Unit for this raw data. On 12 August 2009 CRU announced that they were seeking permission to waive these restrictions, and on 24 November 2009 the university stated that over 95% of the CRU weather station temperature data set had already been available for several years, with the remainder to be released when permissions were obtained. In a decision announced on 27 July 2011 the Information Commissioner's Office (ICO) required release of raw data even though permissions had not been obtained or in one instance had been refused, and on 27 July 2011 CRU announced release of the raw temperature data not already in the public domain, with the exception of Poland which was outside the area covered by the FOIA request.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HadCRUT

Because it takes some time for the oceans to warm up and cool down, there is a delay before the peak in solar activity shows itself in the earth’s temperature. The best measure we have of global temperatures is made by satellites. Here is a picture of how temperatures have changed in the satellite age.

Notice there is no one to one correspondence to temperature deviation with increasing CO2 levels, in reality? Why is that?

 

[Restrain]

Hurricane Erika show us just how accurate their forecasts are. The 'experts' all said it was going to go north, up the east coast. Wife and I looked at the local weather, which showed wind patterns and the hurricane's trend, said, nah, gonna go west south of,the islands. Even as it continued to slowly die and slide west, the 'experts' still called for a hurricane, turning north.

Well, today, we are finally getting a bit of rain, just moisture pumped into the air from the remnants of Erika. No hurricane, never turned north.

If they can't forecast a hurricane from day to day, they have no credibility on climate change.

 

[Randolph Kinney]

If they can't forecast a hurricane from day to day, they have no credibility on climate change.

Did they forecast the CO2 level day to day versus temperature change? Storm probability occurrence of rain versus CO2 change?

 

[Meandering]

That was some great information on temperatures Randolph,

So today it's accurate, but the historic data was not interpolated, so if we consider a margin of error for less accurate measuring devices back in the day,

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maybe there is no change.

But the glaciers are still melting, there is no denying that.

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