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All Solar, Et Al, In 12 Years?

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the Continuation of Mr. Kerry's comments:

"I know at first blush it seems difficult for – it seems difficult to rationalize investing in clean energy when your economy is already strained, when you got millions, tens of millions, hundreds of millions of poor people, and sources like coal and oil appear cheaper and they appear closer at hand, at least in the near term.

But here’s the fact: The fact is that in the long term, carbon-intensive energy is one of the costliest investments any government could possibly make.

And that is why in the United States, we have stopped any public funding of certain kinds of carbon-based and coal-based, other based power plant, because the invoice for carbon-based energy includes far more than the costs of building and operating a power plant. And that doesn’t show up in the balance sheet. The cost assessments that are true have to account for externalities – which, in the case of climate change, are enough to at least double or triple the initial costs. So you’re not looking at six cents; you’re looking at two or three times.

For example, you have to include the price of unimaginable agriculture and environmental degradation; of hospital bills for asthma, for emphysema patients, the millions of deaths that are linked to air pollution caused by the use of fossil fuel. You have to include the cost of rebuilding after devastating storms and flooding. Just in the time since I became Secretary of State in 2013, the United States has been forced to spend nearly $160 billion in the wake of extreme weather events, 160 billion in under three years.

This is just a glimpse of what is to come for all of us: infrastructure maintenance in the face of rising seas and stronger storms, power outages, labor productivity losses due to extreme heat – the list goes on. And all of this and more has to be added to the cost of continued reliance on high-carbon energy sources.

There can be no doubt: The cost of pursuing clean energy is now far cheaper and getting cheaper – cheaper against today’s alternatives, but far cheaper against the consequences of climate change later.

But for developing countries, I acknowledge cost is only part of the equation. It’s only one part. Developing nations don’t have the same means or capacity as other countries, or access to the same technologies. That’s why the wealthier among us need to do our part to help to mobilize funding, to build capacity, to help make low-cost technology available – and the United States will continue to do that at enhanced levels."
 
Since the developing nations are not going to do anything, if Kerry is right it doesn't make any sense to throw our money away doing "something". The problem is overpopulation, the solution is to decrease the population of the earth down to a sustainable number, we are pushing 8 billion now, some environmentalists say the earth can handle anywhere from 700 million to 2 billion, I'd certainly rather spend my tax money on reducing the population through a worldwide eugenics program than waste it on something that is going to do no good. Back when I was in college in the early 50s they taught us that the world's biggest problem is lower intelligence women having more children than higher intelligence women. Somehow eugenics got a bad rap when Hitler adopted it, but Hitler was also the biggest promoter of a non-smoking policy and we have adopted that without attributing it to Hitler.


Yikes! I'm speechless.
 
Pete said:
Developing nations don’t have the same means or capacity as other countries, or access to the same technologies. That’s why the wealthier among us need to do our part to help to mobilize funding, to build capacity,

But this does nothing to rectify the real problem, the population bomb, looking at two charts notice the confluence of intelligence and birthrate.
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This shows the correlation between birthrate and intelligence, what obligation does nations with higher intelligence have to nations with lower IQs, smart people have to pay the taxes and do without so dumb people can have more children overpopulating the earth in the process. Obama's Science adviser, John Holdren, has written books on the subject, proposing a variety of solutions over the years including draping the water supplies of some nations with contraceptives.
 
Looks to me like both the sea level increase and temperature increase have accelerated since 1940.
Australian scientists are not sure that there has been any increase in sea level. You cannot presume that land masses are stable. California, for instance, has a major subduction zone riding up under the continental plate. Movement is about the same as your fingernails grow...which is more than the claim in the rise of sea level.
 
Australian scientists are not sure that there has been any increase in sea level. You cannot presume that land masses are stable. California, for instance, has a major subduction zone riding up under the continental plate. Movement is about the same as your fingernails grow...which is more than the claim in the rise of sea level.

NYC sits on a lump of granite they drill into for skyscraper foundations, subways, water and sewer pipes.

If the "seas were rising" New Yorkers would be the first ones screaming, and they are not.

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If the "seas were rising" New Yorkers would be the first ones screaming, and they are not.
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I've yet to read or hear anything substantive on the insurance rates for Manhattan. I've broached the subject a few times with left leaning acquaintances and their only reaction was to display bulging blood vessels in their necks and foreheads. Shouldn't those RE values be plummeting? Shouldn't those insurance rates be skyrocketing? Hmmmmmmm.
 
I've yet to read or hear anything substantive on the insurance rates for Manhattan. I've broached the subject a few times with left leaning acquaintances and their only reaction was to display bulging blood vessels in their necks and foreheads. Shouldn't those RE values be plummeting? Shouldn't those insurance rates be skyrocketing? Hmmmmmmm.

As part of the great unwashed, we don't know what we don't know. Thank God a leftist will be by to help us find our way, we are eternally grateful.
 
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