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Any Suggestions On How To Find A Mentor?

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Have you reached out to a local appraiser (or 10?) to see if you could follow them for a day?
See what a "typical" inspection entails?
Although I do not have a trainee now, nor the means to bring one on (at this time), I have had a few people come with me on inspections and/or see what it entails to write/research a report.

Personally I did not charge them anything. Others may want compensated. I don't know.
But it might give you a better first hand experience to see if it's "really for you" just a thought

Great suggestion. I am moving forward with the education and trainee certification either way. If nothing else I gain some more book knowledge on something new. The analytics piece I’m sure I’ll love, in many ways it’s similar to the work I’ve done and do now. The site visits I can’t say at this point but I like the aspect of some physical work combined with analytical work. Either way, it would be great to do a ride along to see all that’s involved.
 
The site visits I can’t say at this point but I like the aspect of some physical work
(my bold) lol We walk around houses (RES work anyway) with a measuring tape or laser measuring device
Believe me, it's not too "physical" (compared to many other professions)
 
Have you reached out to a local appraiser (or 10?) to see if you could follow them for a day?
See what a "typical" inspection entails?
Although I do not have a trainee now, nor the means to bring one on (at this time), I have had a few people come with me on inspections and/or see what it entails to write/research a report.

Personally I did not charge them anything. Others may want compensated. I don't know.
But it might give you a better first hand experience to see if it's "really for you" just a thought
When I say you....I don't mean YOU personally.

It is nearly impossible to come into the business part time. The appraisal business is full time. We get an order in on Monday and they want it back Thursday. As a supervisor, I can't work my schedule around a trainee. I can't wait until it is convenient for you. I have to work when there is work and take time off when i don't have work. You can works nights and week-ends.....sorry I am putting in 10 hours a day 5 days week I don't have any extra hours to train you. The appraisal business takes repetative training. If you are not learning the software, data searches etc. on a regular basis it will take MUCH longer to learn what you need to know. You are a liability, you slow me down, you cost me money. All you want is to "get those hours" and then head out to open your own shop. Not you? Well you would be the exception. Anyone that entered this business in the last 20 years was trained by someone. Very few became certified and are still with the person that trained them. This is not a part-time business unless you have built a business and have scaled back to part time. Most importantly, anyone who takes ll the pre-license classes BEFORE lining up a supervisor is a fool. The hardest thing you will ever do is find a supervisor. You are not the first person that is so smart, so cool, so savvy, so educated, so perfect that has walked through the door. We have seen you before. Now, go pound the pavement and find a supervisor before you take the first class.


A couple of things. 1) NOBODY trained me. I came in before licensing back when a one page report was all the bank needed. I have tried to train several people (years ago). One took some time off....yeah to set up his own office and contact all my clients. I fired another because to was undependable and lazy. I trained a lady and helped her set up her own business when she moved. I tried to train two people "part-time" and that did not work for me. I have a trainee who has been with me 10 years and will never be able to become licensed or certified......no college.

2) I would never let a trainee do an inspection on their on or sign a report. I am 100% responsible for anything a trainee does. Unless you are certified.....you would never sign a report in my office. Very few lenders want to see a licensed person (much less a trainee) sign a report.

3) I can hire an office person for less money and no expectations of a career.

4) Unless you are working in an appraisal office....you don't have a clue how it all works.

5) Only a small percentage of appraisers have another appraiser working for them. Appraisal shops have gotten smaller and less of them in the last 10 years. I sit here and think about the appraisers I know in my county and how many have 2 or more certified people working. The answer is two. Two out of 20 that I run through my mind. I do not want to feel responsible for someone else having an adequate income. I have little control over what assignments come into this office.

6) I want to make a good living. Hiring a trainee is not going to increase my income. There is nothing a trainee can do that some other person can't do

7) No...you think you can and you say you will but it is highly unlikely you will bring in new clients. There is no way I am going to let a trainee fish for new clients. Promises are often made that can't be kept.

8) The fact is...in most of the country there is not enough work to keep all the appraisers making a good living. This business has changed and declined. The high volume day for most appraisers are in the past.

9) This is not a cheap business to be in. Annual license renewal, software purchase and renewal, E & O insurance, continuing education, MLS dues, Board of Realtors dues, telephone, internet service, advertising, web page, office equipment, automobile/truck expenses, CPA expenses, liability insurance,......get the picture. It costs me about $1,000 -$1,500 per month for expenses.

10) Back to my original question. Did you look for a supervisor BEFORE you took your classes? This is one of the toughest businesses you can try to get into. If you are having a hard time finding a supervisor..............you could have found out many hours and many $$$ ago.
 
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Great suggestion. I am moving forward with the education and trainee certification either way. If nothing else I gain some more book knowledge on something new. The analytics piece I’m sure I’ll love, in many ways it’s similar to the work I’ve done and do now. The site visits I can’t say at this point but I like the aspect of some physical work combined with analytical work. Either way, it would be great to do a ride along to see all that’s involved.

"I am moving forward with the education and trainee certification either way. "

So, are you finished with your education? Are you a trainee?
 
Go on BREA. Look up CR's with addresses that are business' (good luck won't be many) and call them. Anyone with a home address isn't going to take you on. Most CR's are at home addresses & working out of their spare bedroom. #1, you don't want to work in that environment because it will be a lot of "remote" and #2, they won't take you on nor train you properly.
 
A couple of things. 1) NOBODY trained me. I came in before licensing back when a one page report was all the bank needed. I have tried to train several people (years ago). One took some time off....yeah to set up his own office and contact all my clients. I fired another because to was undependable and lazy. I trained a lady and helped her set up her own business when she moved. I tried to train two people "part-time" and that did not work for me. I have a trainee who has been with me 10 years and will never be able to become licensed or certified......no college.

2) I would never let a trainee do an inspection on their on or sign a report. I am 100% responsible for anything a trainee does. Unless you are certified.....you would never sign a report in my office. Very few lenders want to see a licensed person (much less a trainee) sign a report.

3) I can hire an office person for less money and no expectations of a career.

4) Unless you are working in an appraisal office....you don't have a clue how it all works.

5) Only a small percentage of appraisers have another appraiser working for them. Appraisal shops have gotten smaller and less of them in the last 10 years. I sit here and think about the appraisers I know in my county and how many have 2 or more certified people working. The answer is two. Two out of 20 that I run through my mind.

6) I want to make a good living. Hiring a trainee is not going to increase my income.

7) No...you think you can and you say you will but it is highly unlikely you will bring in new clients. There is no way I am going to let a trainee fish for new clients. Promises are often made that can't be kept.


A COUPLE of things? Haha. I know this wasn’t meant for me but I’m chiming in because this type of attitude is what most of my comments were questioning.

1. So you were lucky enough to not have your career path decided by people such as yourself. Congrats!

2. Agreed. From all of my research trainees never sign reports.

3. Reference my points about unwillingness to give back to the profession.

4. Yup! That’s why I’m here. I have, however done a lot of research including having had discussions with those that do know how it is.

5. Agreed. If you don’t have the volume you shouldn’t hire the help.

6. Reference my points about unwillingness to give back to the profession.

7. meh, probably right.

USPAP - Overall, it’s this kind of attitude that I’ve run into way too frequently. Unfortunately, standards have been put in place which give existing appraisers an incredible amount of power over trainees and their options to become a professional and appraisers like yourself create serious obstacles, those of which you didn’t have to overcome which is perhaps why you are the way you are. Glad there are others in the field with a different viewpoint.
 
A COUPLE of things? Haha. I know this wasn’t meant for me but I’m chiming in because this type of attitude is what most of my comments were questioning.

1. So you were lucky enough to not have your career path decided by people such as yourself. Congrats!

2. Agreed. From all of my research trainees never sign reports.

3. Reference my points about unwillingness to give back to the profession.

4. Yup! That’s why I’m here. I have, however done a lot of research including having had discussions with those that do know how it is.

5. Agreed. If you don’t have the volume you shouldn’t hire the help.

6. Reference my points about unwillingness to give back to the profession.

7. meh, probably right.

USPAP - Overall, it’s this kind of attitude that I’ve run into way too frequently. Unfortunately, standards have been put in place which give existing appraisers an incredible amount of power over trainees and their options to become a professional and appraisers like yourself create serious obstacles, those of which you didn’t have to overcome which is perhaps why you are the way you are. Glad there are others in the field with a different viewpoint.

Really? I have given more back to this profession than you will ever possibly give. I taught pre-license classes for 10+ years. I stopped teaching when it became impossible for students to find supervisors. I am a USPAP instructor and still teach both the 7 hour update and 15 hour classes. You don't know squat about me or the appraisal business....but good luck to you. Hope you find success and riches where ever you go.
 
Really? I have given more back to this profession than you will ever possibly give. I taught pre-license classes for 10+ years. I stopped teaching when it became impossible for students to find supervisors. I am a USPAP instructor and still teach both the 7 hour update and 15 hour classes. You don't know squat about me or the appraisal business....but good luck to you. Hope you find success and riches where ever you go.


Wow. You give back when you can collect a paycheck for it but refuse to give back when it costs you something, anything. Most would call that a part time job, not giving back. You stopped teaching when it became impossible for trainees to find mentors, you say that as though you yourself are not part of the problem.

I have the riches, I’m doing this for fun. Yes because I want to. And don’t be so sure what I can or cannot do, I haven’t started yet. But I do know this:

I’ll get my hours, become certified and if the industry is still mostly backward thinking like yourself by the time I do I’m going to make giving trainees an opportunity to earn hours as my primary motivation, might even create a non-profit devoted to it. But thanks for that bit of motivation!
 
Your real problem is that there is no demand in Calif for more appraisers. There hasn't been any such demand for the last 10 years and at the rate we're going it may be another 10 years before the number of appraisers more closely matches the long term demand for appraisal services. It ain't personal, it's just business.

FYI, probably 90% of people who were licensed trainees back in 2008 never made it into the business. At one point we had nearly 6400 trainees on deck, all scrambling to do exactly what you're trying to do now. Most of them never made it. Most never even came close. So for the 740 souls who currently hold an AT license, some will make it but most probably won't.

If you're so motivated that you *need* to do this kind of work then you'll do whatever you have to do in order to get in. Someone who is sufficiently self motivated will not need any handholding or nurturing or validation from us.
 
Thanks George and you are partially correct; I don’t need handholding, nurturing or validation. That’s not why I’m here and don’t think any of my posts represent that.

Unfortunately the system is setup where I will, however, need a mentor. While I don’t take it personally, I was surprised to see that the general attitude of the industry is severely limited to beginners. You can talk about supply and demand but the truth is it will never be in your best interest to take on mentors because limiting supply means you can keep prices high. Of course that leads to a secondary issue, what you are all doing is essentially limiting supply to price fix. It’s against the law and I haven’t yet decided how far I want to pursue that aspect of this very surprising turn.

What I do know is that, instead of learning from and thus having a deep respect for the small independent appraiser, I’ll have no choice but to learn from a large institutional entity, such as a bank. Certainly not my preference but I will, in fact, do what I have to do to get my hours.

That’s just the beginning though because at this point I have a purpose that goes way beyond just becoming a licensed and certified appraiser. ...
 
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