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Anyone Else Fed Up With Realtor Based Multi-list?

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We're not allowed to bring cameras into the courthouse,

and lord don't have a mini pocket knife on your key ring.

All metal detectors and pat down searches if you beep the machine and you can't come up with why the machine beeped.

Side note, the machines have sensitivity settings, so on a big court day the hook and eyelets on your work boots will beep the machine all day long.


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We're not allowed to bring cameras into the courthouse,

and lord don't have a mini pocket knife on your key ring.

All metal detectors and pat down searches if you beep the machine and you can't come up with why the machine beeped.

Side note, the machines have sensitivity settings, so on a big court day the hook and eyelets on your work boots will beep the machine all day long.


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I can never get through.. too many metal plates and screws in my body. Ha Ha!
 
Spent a good bit of time this weekend researching and talking to agents and other appraisers I know in my area. So far, I've been unable to find any software or program that will allow you to enter in your own data to accurately develop the figures needed for the 1004mc. I've completed 6 appraisals using public information only since I started questioning the need for the local MLS. For each, I did the entire report without accessing the MLS, obviously, leaving out the 1004mc.. I reviewed my own work afterwards using the MLS data and found ALL of the public information to be accurate or at least easy to reconcile in combination with county records. In my area, the public listing/sale data appears to be less than a day behind the MLS. County records and deeds are about 1-3 months depending on the county (these have always required phone calls to settlement departments anyway). The more I try to justify the MLS, the more I feel like it is unnecessary to complete a through and accurate report in my area. Even the MLS numbers are available online without MLS access.. The 1004mc is the only real issue.. I have contacted several software companies and so far all of them rely on MLS data to integrate into a report. As I mentioned, I am looking for software that will allow me to enter in my own data but no luck so far. If I find anything, I will update.. Happy Monday!

On a side note, the 1004mc addendum is still a joke!
 
too many metal plates and screws in my body. Ha Ha!
I have had so many root canals and steel pins, the magnets jump onto my face off the refrigerator. I have 3 less steel pins however after they pulled a tooth last year.
 
I have contacted several software companies and so far all of them rely on MLS data to integrate into a report. As I mentioned, I am looking for software that will allow me to enter in my own data but no luck so far
Maybe you should start a thread under the TECH subforum - maybe somebody there will be able to help or advise. Just a thought
 
Access to our local assessor's records is 10¢ per minute with comp search capability, and free without search except by address, name, or parcel number. No print fee. Oklahoma counties are available at 3 counties for $50/mo. The whole state for a little more, and a separate site gives you all deeds, mortgages, etc. at $50 per 100 searches per month, and you pony up $1 a sheet for county records (which goes directly to the little fiefdom known as the "county clerk"...) I would love to see an audit of all county clerk offices to see if that $1 goes into the county coffers or into a slush fund to buy candy, snacks, etc. and distribute as "favors" or buy flowers etc.

The Oklahoma landmen for petroleum companies have forced the counties to allow them to "PT" - picture takers - for old records but the county clerks hate it because they can't make their one dollar and in some counties without oil business, they still refuse to let you take pictures of deeds.

Agree. Towns hold all public records here, so it's a crap shoot what I'm gonna be charged on any given day. Some towns are as high as $3 per page no matter what record...some are as low as $0.25. Most hover around $1 per page for deeds and 5-25 cents for other records.

Allowed to take pics if you ask, especially for large docs like surveys or maps (and they still charge you), but mostly they don't allow phones or cameras in the records vaults.
 
Timeismoney-we use ACI and we always enter our own data. We never export from MLS as we want to do the research, fine tune it, then print out the stats sheets for the files.
 
Your MLS must really suck, for you to consider free sites a viable alternative. Lights out, the MLS is better for searching, and statistics, and data. I am licensed and do work in 4 states, and multiple markets. I subscribe to 5 MLS services, There is not a single market I am involved in that the MLS does not do a far superior job to the free sites.

I know two markets where a some appraisers don't use the MLS. The Westchester MLS service in NY($3000 first year) is outrageously expensive, as is the Greenwich CT MLS, which costs $900/year for one town coverage, and I see some appraisals done by appraisers who do not use them. Maybe they can't afford them, or don't think they need them. I can tell you from reviewing experience, that they miss a lot of sales, trend information and importantly, information on the sales they find, by relying on free services. I have never reviewed a good appraisal done by someone relying on free data sites. If I ever went up against one in court, it would be very easy to have that report discredited.

/rather than drop the MLS I would go to them with your concerns. Realtors have an obligation to truthfully report their listings. There is not a single MLS I subscribe to that does not have some means of punishing realtors who post inaccurate data.
 
Your MLS must really suck, for you to consider free sites a viable alternative. Lights out, the MLS is better for searching, and statistics, and data. I am licensed and do work in 4 states, and multiple markets. I subscribe to 5 MLS services, There is not a single market I am involved in that the MLS does not do a far superior job to the free sites.

I know two markets where a some appraisers don't use the MLS. The Westchester MLS service in NY($3000 first year) is outrageously expensive, as is the Greenwich CT MLS, which costs $900/year for one town coverage, and I see some appraisals done by appraisers who do not use them. Maybe they can't afford them, or don't think they need them. I can tell you from reviewing experience, that they miss a lot of sales, trend information and importantly, information on the sales they find, by relying on free services. I have never reviewed a good appraisal done by someone relying on free data sites. If I ever went up against one in court, it would be very easy to have that report discredited.

/rather than drop the MLS I would go to them with your concerns. Realtors have an obligation to truthfully report their listings. There is not a single MLS I subscribe to that does not have some means of punishing realtors who post inaccurate data.

No.. I wouldn't say it sucks. I just recently started to question the need for the MLS. As I previously mentioned, I reviewed a clean report for the first time where a public source was noted and it made me curious.

It's interesting to hear that you are aware of markets where some appraisers don't use the MLS. This is what I was wondering.. I honestly didn't know appraisal work was being done without access to MLS and I've been at this for 18+ years. I understand what your saying about missing sales, trends and details from the free services and I thought the same, however, I've found that the free information is very accurate and in most cases exactly the same as the MLS (with regards to comparables). I also mentioned previously that since I started to question the need for the MLS, I have been doing my searches through the free sites first and then following up with my normal MLS search. In the past two weeks, I have found several comparables that I would have missed if I relied solely on the MLS. This is the exact opposite of what I expected and what you are saying. As for trends, I think you should revisit some of the free sites available and look at the amount of free data that is out there. I have found the trends indicated on the free sites to be very accurate. I only do work in the area I know like the back of my hand, a 40 miles radius from where I've lived all my life. I don't rely solely on trends that the MLS may indicate because in many cases it is misleading. I rely on my knowledge of the market, conversations with good agents and historical data. In my area, things move slow.. Up or down, there is very little data to support any trend in most cases.

I do NOT plan on dropping my MLS access, I did contact them and expressed my concerns and they are working with me.

Unfortunately, the trend here is for agents to publish fluff, not facts and apparently it's acceptable. Here's a good example for you... Yesterday I'm working on an REO assignment and searching for comparables that are in what should be noted as fair, poor, needs rehab, etc.. (c5-c6 in my mind). I found 2 sales that did not make any sense, the sale prices told me there must be a major issue but the agent comments made them sound as if they just needed carpet and paint. I called both agents to ask more questions, turns out one had a foundation wall falling in and was not habitable and the other had a severe mold problem. Not one mention of anything in the MLS... When I commented to the agents about the details missing in the MLS, they both replied with the typical, due to liability reasons they did not want to add negative aspects to the listing. Yes, I sent an e-mail to the MLS about both... This is what I find more often than anything else. If I don't call, I don't get the full truth.. If the agent says "totally renovated", it's probably c4. If the agents says "needs minor tlc", it's probably c6. We as appraisers are scrutinized heavily but many agents seem to have a total disregard for anything but the commission they're being paid. I am not bashing agents, I have family and friends that are sales agents and we have this conversation often. I'm just pointing out what is common place here in my area. In my opinion, until sales agents are paid a flat fee, there will always be an issue with accurate MLS data. I was in sales for 10 years prior to being an appraiser, when you're working for a commission and it's based on a percentage of the sale price, what starving salesperson wouldn't stretch the truth to maximize the deal? Just my opinion..
 
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