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Appraisal Institute suspended from The Appraisal Foundation

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First the Appraisal Institute (AIREA) ****es off the NAR and dissociates itself with the NAR, the single biggest mistake EVER, but now we may loose our Foundation clout and lobbying power as well.

I think this is a members only secret...

What has NAR ever done for appraisers? I mean unless it benefited themselves first.

What did the AI do with its lobbying power? Tell Congress everything would be just fine if HUD required only certified appraisers for FHA! Not going back to a rotational panel. Never mind that it works perfectly well for VA or that most of the offenders were already certified.

Screw you AI! Secrets out now.

/Bashing
 
So what did AI actually 'discuss' at a meeting that was considered
heresy by TAF? Did AI throw TAF under the bus? Will TAF go away?
Will AI go rogue? which would be interesting since they are the leading
provider of education for the industry? Or is this just lawyers in love?
 
What has NAR ever done for appraisers? I mean unless it benefited themselves first.

What did the AI do with its lobbying power? Tell Congress everything would be just fine if HUD required only certified appraisers for FHA! Not going back to a rotational panel. Never mind that it works perfectly well for VA or that most of the offenders were already certified.

Screw you AI! Secrets out now.

/Bashing

Perhaps you should join with me in my call for a one license system for appraisers.

Benefits:

A) End the caste system
B) Improve the situation known as "the fraud of licensing."
C) Help all appraisers learn and accept that we are one group, not multiple groups. Now what happens really does happen to all.
D) Simplfy state board rules and regulations, thereby reducing costs.
E) Others I am not thinking of at the moment.

At least the AI is standing for something, darn the consequences. Or at least the politics at the head of the AI is. I have no idea really what the membership is thinking as I am not a member. If only the trade of all real estate appraisers could all stand for something, anything, darn the consequences... Perhaps another thousand years of evolution ....
 
Perhaps you should join with me in my call for a one license system for appraisers.

Benefits:

A) End the caste system
B) Improve the situation known as "the fraud of licensing."
C) Help all appraisers learn and accept that we are one group, not multiple groups. Now what happens really does happen to all.
D) Simplfy state board rules and regulations, thereby reducing costs.
E) Others I am not thinking of at the moment.

At least the AI is standing for something, darn the consequences. Or at least the politics at the head of the AI is. I have no idea really what the membership is thinking as I am not a member. If only the trade of all real estate appraisers could all stand for something, anything, darn the consequences... Perhaps another thousand years of evolution ....

How about one Residential and one Commercial and you can have both if you meet the distinct and separate requirements.

I like the other suggestions though.
 
How about one Residential and one Commercial and you can have both if you meet the distinct and separate requirements.

I like the other suggestions though.

Brother Lawrence, years ago I thought there should be a USPAP(c) for commercial and a USPAP(r) for residential, and I thought there should be no such thing as a one license eats all like the general license type is today. Yes, if you wanted to appraise residential and commercial one would need to get and pay for two separate licenses. Much like you suggest. But I've come to do away with that idea. In part because of management and the definitions problems it would present. Then, during those passing years I watched my state on the real estate selling end do away with separate "agents" licenses and "broker" licenses.. Every selling person in my state is now just a "broker" and this state has a one-license system on the selling side.

With the advent of this last change in education requirements for appraisers, leaving new "Licensed" appraisers still not even needing a eighth grade education while demanding new commercial GCs to have four year degrees.... I've changed my mind. With the above I now advocate for a 100% move to an appraisal one-license system. No more residential "license," no more residential "certified," and no more general certified either as we know it today in that having such a license implies anything. For many reasons I have come to this.

The concepts in appraising are just as difficult in residential assignments as they are commercial. Anyone appraising in the current markets should easily appreciate and agree with that one. So therefore, ALL new appraisers should have four year degrees, not just commercial appraisers. Then we have the B.S. separation of the license types ability to address different real estate. Clearly the cut off point of 4 units versus five units is a bunch of political hokus pokus of licensing. It is territorial behavior that has nothing at all to do with the public trust. I have come to believe the current licensing system does nothing more than foster blatent violation of the public trust. Commercial appraisers, as a group, are not smarter, better, more qualfied, or anything else, over residential appraisers, as a group. The current licensing situation just perpetrates the fraud of licensing by leaving a public impression that is just simply false.

The Competency portion of USPAP is all we need, not different license types. The present education requirements are nothing more than an artificial barrier put in place to impede currently licensed appraisers from being able, at age 50 to 80 in general, to successfully move to a nothing more than artifically raised to a higher platform licensing type. These people have often been appraising for decades, and we are telling appraisers aged 65 or more to go back to college for four years? At something on the order of $20,000 a year plus the income loss? Does it make sense to demand this of total newbies never real estate appraisers before? .... Yes, we should. .... But to demand it of an appraiser with 10 to 40 years of service in that happens to lack a college degree?

Sorry, the current situation stopped making any sense at all. The only reason for it is to create a caste system 100% meant to do nothing more than protect the territory turf of existing GCs, many of whom do not have college degrees, and many of whom couldn't appraise their way out of a wet paper bag if I were asked. Hence, my opinion the current licensing system does nothing more than to go on perpetrating a fraud of licensing on the public. Let's cut to the chase... A one license system, 100% of all new people seeking to become appraisers have to have four year degrees, and we help the current appraisers... ALL OF THEM... reach competency for all real estate types that they may confront over their years ahead of them. Let's strive for a real trade of pros... just like those in sales are doing.
 
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Common Sense!

I'm going Webbed one better. He is proposing a one-license sytem for appraisers. I propose returning to a no-license system for appraisers.

Appraiser licensing has not solved any problems, but it sure has created quite a few. And cost us all plenty of money getting there. Things worked at least as well prior to licensing and doing business was simpler and cheaper.
 
Perhaps you should join with me in my call for a one license system for appraisers.

Already done here as Oregon no longer issues NEW licenses. I am almost to the point were I can take my test and the GED licensees who sprouted up over the last ten years will soon drop out leaving only CR and CG left.
 
Webbie makes some interesting points. However, he loses me in his last paragraph referencing a caste system and the CGs protecting their turf. You cannot be serious! Experience is paramount in the commercial sector of our trade demanding a level of skills that many do not have and, I suspect, never will. Residential people rail against skippy--can't even imagine what kind of havoc such an open field would have on the quality of commercial appraisals.

And while the concepts are the same in the residential and commercial world, implementing them in a clear and appropriate fashion is beyond many who have had little experience outside the residential forms world. I suppose the argument for such a wide open system would be that the market would decide who is competent and worthy of receiving work and who isn't. Ain't that what you have now and ain't it working grand?
 
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