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Bob, WHO (or, what "organization") is going to do all that you state?

I find much of what you have posted to be ongoing here in Illinois. Perhaps not as much as I would like, but not every appraiser is willing to step forward and actually get involved. MANY appraisers are aware of the plight of the common appraiser, but FEW actually do anything.

As to the first paragraph in your post...what you state has not been my personal experience.

What's being done in your state to better the plight of the common appraiser?


Lee
 
That's nice, Bob, but nobody could appraise enough to earn enough to support themselves and their family and so what you want them to do as an association president/activist. Not feasible in reality.
 
I do respect many members of the current appraiser organizations. However, I was very disturbed by one of the organizations and it is real hard to gain my trust back.

Agree, one bad apple (who knows the actual number) is not suppose to spoil the whole bunch.

However, when I saw a member of a well known organization employed as the Chief Appraiser for an AMC, I was devastated. Here is an organization that I thought should be fighting for appraisers and this person was allowed to be a member in good standing. This AMC did the same thing all the other ones do by trying to get the lowest fees and quickest turn arounds.

As a member of an appraisal organization, I would expect the Chief Appriaser to be fighting for what was right for the appraiser. I'm talking about paying a fair fee for the amount of work being performed. Instead I felt he was aiding and abetting the AMC in driving down the value of the appraisal.

I don't blame a person from doing what they want to do (like work as the Chief Appraiser of an AMC). However, I see an organizations credibility lessened when they have members involved in activities that are frowned upon by appraisers. I guess it would be different if AMC's didn't beat us up on fees (I just can't do full URAR's for under $200, some at $140).

DaveT in NC
 
Originally posted by Bob Postier@Mar 17 2005, 05:39 PM

On a national level annual meetings and symposium should be organized. Guest speakers from government agencies, Fannie Mae, and other national organizations should be included. Information regarding the risk and failure of the real estate market due to "lender select" programs and AVM's are high on my list. CE credits should be included.

In my humble opinion, strong emphasis must be placed on lobbying government officials. Strong emphasis must be placed on talking points, sample letters, and research, as well as information including names, addresses, phone numbers, email addresses, necessary to conduct a national barrage of appraiser lobbying.
Bob,

The Appraisal Institute offered just such a program in Washington, D.C. December 13 - 14, 2004. It was open to all, regardless of professional affiliation, or lack thereof.

Included among the speakers and panel members were representatives from the Veterans Administration, HUD, U.S. Senate Staff Members, Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, Appraisal Standards Board, Appraiser Qualificaitons Board, Appraisal Subcommittee, the Federal Reserve, the Office of the Comptroller of Currency, Federal Highway Administration and more.

Other organizations represented among speakers and panel members were from the American Bankers Association, the Association of Appraiser Regulatory Officials, the Environmental Protection Agency, the American Society of Appraisers, the National Association of REALTORS, Federal Trade Commission, the Internal Revenue Service and the like.

Although I am not a member of the Appraisal Institute, they even invited me to participate as a speaker on one of their panels. It was a mix of the Executive Director of the ASC, two administrators of State Appraisal Boards, a representative of the Appraisal Institute Education Department, an MAI Certified in nearly a dozen states, the Chair of the Appraiser Qualifications Board and one State Appraisal Board member. Although not all of us saw eye to eye, we got along famously and provided valuable information for all in attendance.

FWIW, I am a firm believer in Professional Associations. In my experience, at least in Florida and in Washington, D.C., much of the turf wars and sniping at each other is a thing of the past. There is a great deal of cooperation among the Appraisal Institute, the American Society of Appraisers, the American Society of Farm Managers and Rural Appraisers and the National Association of REALTORS Appraisal Committee. Cooperation has taken the form of joint comment letters to government agencies on rules proposals, coordination of Congressional testimony and regular consultation. Here in Florida, the AI, ASA, NAIFA, NAMA, ASFMRA and Florida Association of REALTORS are working together to develop amendments to our State Appraiser Certification Law. In 2003, one Chapter of the AI took the lead and had their lobbyist shepherd another cooperatively developed bill through the State Legislature. It was a good bill, passed both the House and Senate unanimously and would have never happened without the cooperation among all the Professional Associations. In your state, it may be different and your mileage may vary.

Each organization is made up of individuals and plenty of personalities. Some grate on others. You run into a$$holes in every walk of life. Some of them happen to be appraisers, some of them happen to be regulators, some of them happen to work in the Federal Government. In my mind, it's much more productive to concentrate on what we have in common rather than dwell on the differences and whine about the a$$holes. Some of those folks really know how to get things done. Plenty of those folks ARE interested in cooperation and ARE, in fact, walking that walk.

As Lee says, just what is the advantage of no affiliation?

OK <soapbox mode - off>
 
It’s easy to sit back criticizing, and blame someone else for your ills, whether real or imagined. This attitude seems to be increasing in all quarters of our society (as in “the government ought to do something about it” or “I don’t think they should have done that”).

I have been guilty myself in the past of not contributing. I am happy to say that after some coercing, I am currently serving as ASFMRA Arkansas Chapter President, serve on the National By-laws Committee, and have announced my candidacy for District 2 Vice President of the ASFMRA National Board. I don’t have a hidden agenda for running. I only want to contribute in whatever manner that I can.

Appraisal organizations are directed by its members (appraisers), and day to day operations are generally handled by a paid staff. The unpaid volunteers are giving up precious time which could be spent earning a living, enjoying their family, or other pursuits. If you believe your organization is not representing you, then step up and help to steer it to the correct course. Volunteer to work at the chapter, state or national levels. If you don’t have the time to volunteer, or if you’re not willing to work, then at least contact your representatives to discuss the issues that concern you, and give your recommendations as to how to proceed.

It’s much like the people who don’t vote, then sit around and complain about those who were elected. Kind of like the old saying, “Lead, follow, or get out of the way.”

Just my $.02

Fred Jaynes
Jonesboro, AR
 
No one else did so I will do my best to figure out who is who;


NAIFA

Appraisal Institute

American society of Appraisers

The American Society of Farm Manager and Rural Appraisers

I suppose there are more, maybe their members who happen to visit here might put their links up for everyone to see. If you can t figure it out, PM me and I'll do it for you.

Mr Jaynes,

Have you signed the petition? Has your organization placed a link to the petition on your web site? Do your members even know about the petition?

Appraisers Petition

It might interest you to know that many of the members at this site are very active in trying to improve the profession. Many of us already do things behind the scene. We are developing a pretty good network of reporters who are friendly and look to us for advice and ideas. There even kind enough to quote many of us in there articles. All you may see is bellyaching, most of us here know better than that. I can name off a few , like Pamela, Bob Ipock, Frank, George, and a host of others. Even I get involved, but I am just a rabble rouser and truble maker. I firmly believe that we at this informal site of 12,000 members are beginning to have a very positive effect on the industry.

Good to see you here, stop by more often, you might just teach us something.
 
Andrew, as a matter of fact, I have signed the petition some time ago. I am Number 5532. I will check to see if there is a link on the ASFMRA web site, and if not, will encourage them to add a link to the petition. I also know there are good and knowledgeable people on this forum. I check the posts almost daily, and have learned much by reading those of interest to me.

My post was in response to those who do nothing but sit back and complain, but do little or nothing to enact change.

Fred Jaynes, ARA
Jonesboro, AR


PS - You left off the American Society of Appraisers
 
Originally posted by fdjaynes@Mar 17 2005, 08:26 PM
My post was in response to those who do nothing but sit back and complain, but do little or nothing to enact change.
Name them. You seem to know who they are.
 
Here is a link to the HR 1295 bill, provided by the Appraisal Institute's web site:

http://www.appraisalinstitute.org/govtaffa...Draft030305.pdf

If that does not work, just go Appraisal Institute web site, there is some fascinating information there, and go to hot items. There you will find a link to the pdf of the full language of the bill.

A few weeks ago I ran across some information that the Appraisal Institute is gearing up toward making their membership more public, and that membership in their organization will be more lucrative to the appraisers who do join. It is a new marketing campaign they are embarking upon. Only makes sense then, seeing as they have a new marketing campaign to make their association top notch, that they would try to insert into the bill some wording that appraisers with designations such as theirs would get preference.

Isn't that what lobbyists do? If you do not like the wording on the bill about preferential treatment to designated members, write your congressman. Please do not refer your Congressman to this site, however, as some of the posts here are very unprofessional.
 
Andrew, I will admit that AI has alientated resi appraisers. It started about five years ago. Many resi appraisers thought AI sold them out by promoting a national data base. They thought this back door support of the use of AVM's would be the death of resi appraising. AI at the time was scoping out the future of appraising and trying to re-evaluate the needs of a profession undergoing tremendous changes, particularly with the advent of the internet and the growing ubiquitous nature of real estate data and computer technology. Technology is a fact of life that is like the proverbial genie in a bottle. Once out, it can't be put back in. This, combined with an external influence, state certification, caused many to believe the SRA had lost value.

I believe the exact opposite is the case. Since everyone has a certification and our product has become even more homogeneous, appraisers need something to make them stand out, something to give them opportunities to get non-financing work since much of that has gone the way of AVM's. The SRA can do that in some markets and in others it has less worth, just like the MAI designation. While some SRA's in my market dropped their designations, a friend of mine kept hers and she is consistenly busier than non-designated appraisers (I can observe this from my position as a bank review appraiser). She gets a ton of work from brokers wanting appraisals done to help with pricing listings. She also gets a lot of relocation appraisals, as well as divorce and estate work.

Back to your complaint about AI...I agree that they have aliented resi appraisers and that AI "seems" to have evolved into an organization for comm appraisers. However, I don't believe it was done purposely. Rather than fight the impact of certification and technology, AI tried to embrace the change and harness it for the betterment of an inevitably changing profession. Perception is reality in many cases and some paranoids think it was done on purpose. You're right, it requires better PR and I think AI has been working to improve in this area. When I was president of my chapter, one of my goals was to grow membership and I realized there are far more resi appraisers in my market than comm appraisers. Even though I am a commercial appraiser, I attempted to focus on resi appraisers. Over the years as a chapter board member and also as education chair one year, I pushed for scheduling more resi classes and invited resi appraisers as guests to chapter meetings.

Finally, for more info on the Master's program, go to appraisalinstitute.org, click on the education button, then click on the Master's button.
 
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