Appraiser Association

[Hal Mann]

Thank you Michael. Not only is the criticism unfair, but the comments purporting to summarize what Rich reported are completely incorrect. He said that the AI representative didn't get everything they would have liked, not that they were ignored.

Overall, the AI is far from perfect, but does a lot of good for appraisers. The comment from Pam asking "How many AMC, AVM developers..... and even the larger skippy sweatshops, are owned or run by an AI designated member?", is just over the top. Is the fact that there are MAI's who are bums mean the Institute is no good? I guess it would then also follow that since there are so many slimeball appraisers out there that all appraisers must be liars and thieves, eh? I'm surprised to see such a reckless comment from Pam, who is generally so sensible.

 

[Ray Miller]

I respect Rich, and I have taken his classes. But at the same time he is just one, many don't.

But even after taking his classes. Did it really matter that I took the class. While I learned, there were thousands that did not. Its had no affect on my business, other then my appraisals may be a tad better then Joe Speedy or Sally Gloss Over down the street. There reports still get accepted even if they are incorrect and even prefered over mind for the value of the subject.

I am not picking on those that try and help. I am aiming at the Association themselves. Where is our voice, what have they done about AMC pressure, lender pressure. Have they taken up the cause. I hear not from any of them.

I am thinking that the residential appraiser is endagered. In a couple of more years unless something is done he will become just a number hitter, form filler outer.

 

[Edd Gillespie]

Originally posted by Hal Mann@Mar 17 2005, 09:30 AM
I'm surprised to see such a reckless comment from Pam, who is generally so sensible.

Sorry, Pam. It'll be a miracle if this one stays on point.

 

[Stone]

Sorry, but "Hot shot from the AI" comes off as a personal slam to me. You can say whatever you want about an organization, but I don't think personal attacks should be part of the discussion. And the president of the US doesn't spend his time here trying to help others with problems.

Edd - it was taken off track when he went after an individual instead of the AI in general. An individual who wasn't even posting in this thread.

I'm just pretty much sick of the personal slams here.

 

[Jim Onderisin]

My understanding is that the Appraisal Institute was formed from a couple associations, one of which had its roots in the NAR. In as much as nearly all appraisers must belong to NAR in order to have access to the multiple listing service, maybe all appraisers should band together under the NAR as their designated appraisers. If any one group has the clout to affect positive change for its members, its that one. If there are enough appraiser-members, maybe NAR would direct more of their resources to helping the appraiser? The trick is how to put out a persuasive enough message to enlist appraiser action while competing with the rest of the self-serving organizations out there.

 

[Karl]

BECAUSE we are such a small group & the lowest on the food chain of RE world. We need ALL the guys & gals on here that have contributed to what we see now. Notice all the different "blurrps" about Fraud & Investigations. How U think they got noted?? Not by any Association I'm betting BUT by the FEW who have taken on themselves rather they be Appraisers, Honest LO's, MB's, or RE Agents.


Before U grip whine or complain ASK what U have done yourself in past 30 (should be 7) Days to contribute to helping the profession. Those that have NO answer will understand Y Association have done nothing.

Many on here that I have at times disagreed with. Are also ones that I respect & KNOW are working to make Appraising a respected profession. Frustrating work but I personnally know our efforts are being noticed.

 

[Edd Gillespie]

Originally posted by Michael Stone@Mar 17 2005, 09:35 AM
I'm just pretty much sick of the personal slams here.

Yeah. I very much got that impression. And I guess the discussion of appraisal organizations representing residential appraisers in a way that is responsive to our needs and problems can wait till another day. I know you needed to respond to the guy that besmerched Rich, and so now that is what we are going to do on this one. Rich is great and has my admiration and loyalty-if that helps any.
Try again later Ray. I think it is an important and timely question. The posts above may reveal why the organizations don't-no-can't, help us.

 

[Hal Mann]

Originally posted by Jim Onderisin@Mar 17 2005, 09:37 AM
My understanding is that the Appraisal Institute was formed from a couple associations, one of which had its roots in the NAR. In as much as nearly all appraisers must belong to NAR in order to have access to the multiple listing service, maybe all appraisers should band together under the NAR as their designated appraisers. If any one group has the clout to affect positive change for its members, its that one. If there are enough appraiser-members, maybe NAR would direct more of their resources to helping the appraiser? The trick is how to put out a persuasive enough message to enlist appraiser action while competing with the rest of the self-serving organizations out there.

What bigger conflict of interest is there than between appraisers and realtors? Though they lost some clout for sure, the best thing the AI did in the last 30 years was get away from the NAR. The NAR was busy lobbying against appraisers' best interests and collecting a share of our dues monies to do it.

 

[Pamela Crowley (Florida)]

The comment from Pam asking "How many AMC, AVM developers..... and even the larger skippy sweatshops, are owned or run by an AI designated member?", is just over the top.

I highly respect many AI members, especially the designated ones.

I have been told and do believe the AI was involved in the new, and newest, Fannie Mae forms, and didn't get what they wanted.

I highly respect Rich Heyn, have taken some of his classes, and understand his fierce allegiance to the AI.

That said, I can't help questioning the AI when it comes to what appears to be their real lack of obvious, loud and in the media, support against lender pressures along with the real dumbing down of appraisal standards and appraisal fees in residential appraising. I realize that it's possible that they are working in the background to raise residential appraising to what it should be and against the lenders that are ruining this business.

Along with that, my questions are valid and what good is an organization that claims it's working for all appraisers while collecting membership fees from those appraisers that won't let us all know what they are doing to raise the bar and help it's members?

I am NOT 'badmouthing' the AI and believe my questions are valid and the AI should be able to answer them without feeling 'defensive'.

 

[jeff samolinski]

I am badmouthing the AI-I won't even capitalize it!!!!

Those that don't like it can go to the AI blog!